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Bleach and Ouran host club?

Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:37:21 GMT

Another BA inspired post, (more on Ichigo's and Rukia's relationship)

I am going to rant for a moment I hope you will for give me. I came to a conclusion yesterday will I was sitting in my insurance class. (Insurance law is boring by the way don't ever take it) I came to the conclusion that Ichigo and Rukia's situation is lot like the one we have with Haru-chan and tamaki in Ouran Host Club. Ok before you spit out whatever it is your drinking hear me out. Rukia and Ichigo and Haru and Tamaki have nicely developed relationships that have been "one way" for so long that it seems difficult or even impossible to proceed to that next level. Truly many Ichigo/Inoue fans, and rightly so I think, mark that as one of the problems with a slow moving relationship. They say, the longer you maintain a status quo in a relationship the harder it is to break that status quo without some outside influence. This is why your IRR phenomena is so important to your analysis when examining potential romantic relationships. Characters that maintain a relationship before the change in the status quo (whether they be friends/classmates whatever) will be less likely to “win” in the end. I will explain.

In most romance/harem anime there is almost always a childhood friend type character. A childhood friend is an easy, cliché character to use as it readily provides for an already developed relationship that, to an extent, can be played up and played off of. But rarely do they win (get the guy/girl), even when they should. This is mainly because they wait for the status quo to change instead of changing it themselves. (The recent anime Elf tale Memories is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. This is exactly what Kei, the girl childhood friend, did. The main character was even in love with her and if she had confessed it would have been the end of it. She just waited too long to let him know and before she knew it he moved on. In most cases the girl that wins is the one responsible for the change in the status quo. (She was the one that changed the main character's life. Example's Girls Bravo, Carves 2, Shuffle, Please Teacher, the list goes on.)

Many Inoue/Ichigo fans feel that Ichigo and Rukia will not be able to change the status quo. Inoue will do that and thus under our analysis Inoue wins. Period.

But fear not, the status quo can be broken, but it takes an author with a clear intent and some good writing skills to pull it off well. First of all the complexities of the IRR analysis are going mess this up a bit. Ichigo and Rukia have many things in the favor when comes to a potential pairing, reall arguments about the cause and effect of the status quo could be made. But for the sake of argument lets look at how the status quo argument (in favor or Ichigo/Inoue) could be broken. (I don't expect you will see anything this complicated from most shippers, most people aren't as twisted as I am, but you never know) In Ouran Host Club example, the author does it beautifully, the two "main" characters (I say that likely) don't even understand the real nature or potential of their relationship. But they are still able to step off that line from platonic to romantic. In that cycle of misunderstanding and comedy a very simple action triggered the romantic effect (I think that is going to be our new catch phrase, the romance trigger or effect) taking the relationship from ambiguous and misunderstood to potentially romantic. What was this action? A kiss on the forehead thats it. It was a kiss on the forehead that wasn't even romantic in nature, but it took the platonic and turned into romantic. Just like that.

But how? How is that done so its believable. In haruhi's case, Why would a kiss on the forehead have such an momumental effect? It has to do with the development of characters and your understanding of romance and relationships. Remember romantic relationships can be boiled down to a very simple definition. If you understand this definition your thoughts about romance and romantic relationships change a great deal. Romantic relationships are basically platonic relationships (a deep bond) with a physical component, it is the ability to see someone as sexually being. The opposite can happen as well. A person can see someone solely as a sexually being. But that is not romance is it. No, in romance you need BOTH. If you lack the emotional or the physical it isn’t a romantic relationship period. (now that doesn’t mean you have physical intimacy I think you just have to WANT to have physical intimacy. Control yourself you animals)

Moving one with that line of thought, Tamaki and Haruhi share a great deal of similarities with Rukia and ichigo in the terms of the interaction and the way they built their relationship. Ultimately, Haruhi and Tamaki could work because of the ground work was carefully laid to lead them there. How do you do that? As an example, Haruhi attraction to Tamaki came much later as she was able to learn about his past and ambitions for the future. It was only then that she became conscious of his "manhood" (get your minds out of the gutter), which was after the first kiss on the forehead (there was more then one). THe kiss was small but it was a CHANGE in the status quo. Haruhi isn't use to that type of affection for any boy and especially from a boy like Tamaki. The interaction was DIFFERENT then they were use to and that was the key.

On to Ichigo's and Rukia's potential change. Remember that they as a couple share many experiences of bonding and changing. Through out the manga, Ichigo and Rukia show an increasing desire to be with one another and protect each other regardless of the cost. They don't even seem to realize it themselves. (Did Ichigo or Rukia ask why the hell she would want to live in Ichigo's closet when Urarhan's would be much more comfortable?) It is a well-known fact that Ichigo and Rukia have an amazing “platonic” bond and wild evolving relationship. But like Haruhi and Tamaki something is missing from their relationship. The only thing their relationship is missing is a physical aspect. THEE ONLY THING. What does that mean? It means that something very simple could tip this scale. In Ouran Host club, a platonic fatherly kiss turned a deep platonic relationship into a romantic one. It was simple but the effect was amazing. I would also remind you that Haruhi hadn't even considered Tamaki in that way. As matter of fact alot of the time she finds him annoying. (In a playful way) Apply that to Ichigo and Rukia, just because they haven't thought or acted like they are attracted to each on romantic level doesn't mean that won't. The ground work is clearly there. We just need something DIFFERENT to happen. Something very simple. Its downhill from there. My final advice would be watch what happens at this next reunion Ichigo and Rukia you may be surprised.

Why was the SS Arc so great for Ichigo and Rukia?

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:42:42 GMT

I should also call this post "Ichigo and Rukia; How are they different then most anime relationships?"

I posted this in a FC on the Bleach Asylum forums. I wanted to put it here.

This is the original post!

The Soul Society Arc, the meat of the Ichigo/Rukia discussion, this is where most people fall for Ichigo/Rukia. but Why? Why was it so profound?

Let me set this up.

Ichgio and rukia spend two months together through necessity, then she is taken back. In the Soul Society Arc, they meet up four times I can think of. (The bridge, the rescue, the field and the exit) So why, might you ask, did their relationship become so developed and deep? Or better yet, why did you think that Ichigo and rukia developed into ICHIGO/RUKIA from this arc?

I want to hear from you all.
Thoughts?

And this is how I answered it.

guess it is about time to answer my own questions

You know, the funny thing about this question is I don’t have a real answer. If I’m totally being honest I’m not sure there was a “point” in time when ichigo and rukia became Ichigo/rukia. Ichigo and Rukia (specially for a shounen) are pretty complex. They both have multiple layers of characterization that give us a set understanding of their personalities and passions. Despite this understanding, Ichigo and Rukia’s continue to show new layers of development within each other’s presence that directly conflicts with our initial understanding of the characters (This is how you write a story people). I feel that is why Ichigo and Rukia individual development turned into Ichigo/Rukia development. Authors talk constantly of causation and effect in terms of both plot and character, and the tools used to bring those things about. Rukia’s introduction into Ichigo’s life was the cause of initial effect of the story, but this isn’t the end of it. Almost every one of the strides Ichigo’s takes, from the personal to the powerful, has been related to Rukia. Inoue’s words “Rukia isn’t just a friend, but a very important person. She’s the person that changed his world”. I think people forget how important that is.

Each time Ichigo and Rukia came together they both act inconsistent with their initial characterization. Its not just plot development, or specific interaction need to bring the plot to pass, but interdependent character development (both characters depend on each other). The use of this tool (interdependent character development) makes it difficult for fans to distinguish the two characters independent of each other. Kubo carefully crafted the characters interaction to the point where people can anticipate how each will act with regard to each other. You can see this in other interpretations of Kubo’s work. Look at the anime and movie teams. Many scenes that are present in the Bount Arc, The Sword of the Sealed Frenzy OVA and the movies exemplify “others” (not Kubo’s) understanding of the characters. Notice that those individuals understand Ichigo and Rukia come in a pair. Whether they are hanging out in Ichigo's room; (Sword of the sealed Frenzy) or out hunting hollows. (The Bleach Movie) They always find away for Ichigo and Rukia to be togther. Furthermore, these plot points involving Ichigo and Rukia are the most consistent and believable part of the story. In these other interpretative work, Ichigo and Rukia’s actions feel totally consistent the manga’s characterization even though the actions aren’t cannon. People, whether they be fans, Animators or kubo himself, see Ichigo and Rukia together and its because of the change they invoke in one another.

Back to my original point, the manga has many scenes that could be discussed to provide a deeper understanding as to the subject we’re discussing. The Bridge scene is a good one. Notice first, the whole flow of the scene. Ichigo flying in and the eye contact, ask yourself, is it in Rukia to look so sappily at someone like that? Next, Ichigo’s kneeling in front of Rukia and the powerful imagery and symbol that provides. The scene suggests both subservience and compassion either of which is readily present in Ichigo’s character. Ichigo appears as Rukia’s vassal, her knight. He is in her service acting on her behalf and in her interest. (Ok I’m taking a few poetic and creative liberties.) What happens next? He ignores her! (At the same time acting both consistent and inconsistent with this character.) Again, ask yourself, was he concerned with Hantora? Yes I think he was. But Rukia is right in front of him and he won’t even look at her despite the fact that she is desperate to talk to him. He needed a moment. (Just a moment) Before he is able to speak to her. He’s consistent in the fact that he’s young and inexperience and doesn’t know how to deal with those feelings. But he’s inconsistent in that he we weren’t under the impression he could feel something like that. (Wait! Didn’t he come here because of duty? Why would he have such a emotional response?) Finally he talks to her, but he will not look at her. Emotion people, he’s emotional because the last time he saw her she had tears in her eyes. Tears are not something that Ichigo is use to seeing from Rukia. This is, I believe, the reason he goaded her into arguing with him, to bring her back and to give her hope. The combination of the new and familiar makes this an amazing scene for their character development and adds greatly to their relationship potential. It is simple, with a mix of comedy, compassion and romance that really highlights the feelings of the individual characters. Almost every scene they share in this Arc is like this.

I could do similar commentary on the other reunion scenes but I will stop there so I don’t bore you.

As a final note I think on a totally abstract level I could almost be jealous of Rukia and Ichigo’a relationship. Why might I say that, because it took a long time for my spouse and I to get to the level of understanding that Ichigo and Rukia share as a “couple”. (I say that lightly as they are not a couple) I am constantly amazed at how their interaction yields further relationship complexity and evolution. So many relationships in manga either create a cycle or stagnate and die off often making fans frustrated. Inuyasha and Kagome are good example of the first. Their feelings from their very first encounter with Kikiyo are not only clear but also fairly one-dimensional. Much later on, additional issues like, “what will happened to Inuyasha and Kagome after they kill the bad guy,” create much needed layers of complexity and structure to their romantic relationship, but for a large portion of the manga their interaction remains in a never ending cycle of puppy love (no pun intended), jealously and “SIT BOY”. (You would have to watch/read to know what I’m talking about)

Ichigo’s and Rukia’s relationship is also very different then Sakura and Syorian's from TC despite many similarities in their orgins and path of development. Much of Syorian and Sakura’s characterization doesn’t add any layers of complexity to their characters, (We never see Syorian worrying the future or potential failure; we never see Sakura facing the familiar feelings) but merely reinforce existing character traits. In fact Sakura and Syorian act like they would have acted at the beginning of the manga. (for the most part it is more complicated then that I know but lets not get off topic)

Ichigo and Rukia, are different because they evolve, and they evolve in a way indicative of people that have a traumatic past, trust and communication issues, and little romantic experience. (Wanting to be at each other’s side, sexual tension when they are alone in a room, unable to look them in the eye after a long absence; I could go on) They however, evolve at an astounding rate as after their initial interaction for those two months at the beginning of the manga, almost every one of their interactions afterwards builds their relationship up to even greater heights. (They receive greater understanding or deeper trust, they are placated in their fears etc) This evolution is how a relationship is SUPPOSE to work. Sex, romance and love come from a deep emotional bonding based on trust, understanding and compassion mingled into with physical attraction. People see this (even if they don’t recognize it), and therefore have a hard time understanding why Ichigo and Rukia wouldn’t be together. I feel the SS arc was able to really focus on this development and allow the plot to brick lay the foundation for Ichigo and rukia. So no, there was no one moment that Rukia and Ichigo became Ichigo/Rukia, but everything from the manga trends to good old common sense tells fans this is the relationship to hope for in this manga.

Sorry my final note ended up be longer then I wanted. Sorry!

Edit: oh and happy birthday Rukia, you and my new little girl's birthdays are very close in date.

Uwasa no Midori-Kun

Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:22:32 GMT

The out set I want to tell you that this isn't my type of Manga. I'm not really into the the whole Shouji smut scene; that being said. I love this manga. Don't ask me why. I can't really explain it. Maybe its because I love soccer, though its not really about soccer, who knows. But i'm writting on this piece because I love it and I'm hope if enough people start reading it they will put them out faster.

http://tenshi-tachi.com/images/projects/big/uwasa.jpg

"Yamate Midori is a 15 year old girl, who is very much a tomboy. Midori meets a boy called Hino Tsukasa, who came to the island she lives in for a holiday and teaches her soccer. She then falls in love with playing soccer and grows to admire him very much. So, Midori continues to play soccer in hopes that she would one day meet him again. However, when she does meet him again, Tsukasa does something unforgivable…? Determined to defeat Tsukasa in soccer, Midori enrolls in an all boys’ high school. Midori’s exciting high school life is just about to begin!" taken from Tenshi-Tachi

I should say first that the people who scan this are great; they do an amazing job the scans are clean edited perfectly including all the minor dialogue. They really do a good job. So this is a shoot up to them

Uwasa no Midori-kun is a manga by keyamada Go and is a story revolves around Yamate Midori, a girl who fell in love with a boy who came to her Island during vacation three years prior to the beginning o the story. They laughed they cried, she fell on top of him (seriously) and in turn she fell in love with him and the sport he taught her, his sport. Soccer.

So that is your base. The story picks up three years later when Tsukasa Hino comes back to the Island. He does something...not very nice (I hope you can guess) and then she vows vengence. She cuts off all her hair and goes to Tokyo where she enrolls in an all boy school that is known for its soccer club. There she meets Kazuma, another first year hoping to get his soccer grove on. He figures out she is a girl and I think you can probably guess why happends from there.

Why do I like this series? I haven't a damn clue. Its smutty and ultimately only waits for a couple of questions to be answered? Will Midori defeat Hino? Why does Hino act the way that he does? This is a typical love triangle type of manga, but I think the characters are REALLY LIKEABLE. Even Hino who you should hate (at least initially) is just cool and his interactions with Midori are just priceless. You know that Hino is going to end up with someone...the question is who.

Check it out. You will like it.

This is my rating of it.
Story - 8; it is pretty classic a love triangle and soccer. What's not to love? I should also say that it pretty funny, and not as serious as some of the other manga in this field though mind you I am only 13 chapters in.
Art - 7; the art is good but lacks in that everyone looks the same, except hino who has the "evil" eyes most of the time. He's just funny. She needs to make people look different damnit.
Characters - 9 This is really the strong point of this manga; the characters are fun and likeable. Its the bad boy, the crossdresser and the nice guy. Fun stuff.

Go to the website and download. I think you will love it.

What do you look for in fantasy?

Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:58:26 GMT

I want to be a writer.

I know right; who doesn't want to be a writer or actor or singer its the current American dream; so what makes you a writer? I have you tell you that i'm not a very good one; I have to write and rewrite and rewrite my stuff so many times, and I still make mistakes. I still make mistakes.

I was in Cali this last week for my sisters wedding; it was great. I totally take back what I said about Cali, there is one place I could live; San Deigo, totally amazing. That is all I have to say about that. Anyway, on to the point of this post. So i was in Cali and I end up talking to a family friend who happends to have a sister who is a book agent. For those of you that don't know I have been writing a novel for about two years; I am getting there. I'm getting so close to having the story totally ready. What I really need know is a publisher, book agent and editor (in no particular order). While i was doing all of this all these random thoughts starting entering my mind. So what if I do get published. Will it be popular? or will people read this book and be like "what the hell was that guy thinking?" It makes me wonder if I even have a talent for it you know, or could it be I am wasting my time. I guess only time will tell. The quesiton I really want to ask all of you is....What do you look for in a fantasy novel? What elements are the most important to you? I guess I will start there.

Romance in Shounen Anime and Manga; Use and Purpose.

Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:12:56 GMT

Romance in Shounen Manga is there a place for it?

This topic is something that has been bothering me for a while now so I thought I would take a few minutes to expound my thoughts on it. I would really like to tell you where the source of my discontentment is coming from but for the life of me I can’t really remember. I think it was because some idiot came into my thread, didn’t read the essay, then made some jackass comment like “there is no romance in shouen manga/anime”. I was shocked by this statement and really wanted to pursuit this subject with the idiot who made this claim (and he was an idiot though that description didn’t have anything to do with this statement), but wasn't able to do so. After some time passed I started to think about what he said and now, I can honestly see why this is something that he might bring up, especially in comparing Shouen and Shoji anime and manga. This is what I plan on exploring in this piece. Romance in Shounen manga, and it’s importance as a plot element and tool; I am also going to touch on male and female leads in shouen manga.

In analyzing this phenomenon I think the best way to go about doing it is to divide our discussion into in two parts. The first part will take a look at romance in story telling in general and then specifically Shouen Manga. The second part will consist of a discussion that will attempt to explain some assumptions, dispel others, discuss and reiterate the romance phenomena. We'll then the male and female lead relationship dynamic

Basic use of romantic ideals

A common assumption of many casual watchers of anime, and those who aren’t well versed in literary trends and analysis, is that Shouen manga/anime is completely devoid of romance or romantic situations. My goal in this essay is to dispel this assumption. Before we get into our discussion, however some basic thoughts concerning romance and its use must be discussed.

The tool of analysis I use when I analyze any given relationship in a story (in the terms of romance) is a sliding scale based on importance of the relationship in the overall plot. This is usually a good place to start because if you can establish this (how important the relationship is) early (or find evidence for this early) then analyzing and understanding the characters in their current relationship dynamic becomes easier and accuracy for future speculative predictions becomes greater. This analysis focuses on the main character and his relationship with the opposite sex (or same sex if he/she swings that way) As a general rule, romance is generally used in two different ways in story telling. Correspondingly, the romantic relationship that a main character can have also falls into the same two categories. The first is what I like to call the [I]Initial Romantic Relationship[/I] or plot changing relationship; The second type is called the [I]Supplementary Relationships[/I].

When analyzing Initial or supplementary relationships in any literary piece it is imperative that there be an on going examination of the components of that relationship. Each type of relationship is going to have certain elements that are essential for the “success” of that relationship. Lets examine some those elements.

Initial Relationship

If a shounen anime/manga is going to have this type of relationship in its truest form, then something to take note of very early is that [B]close to all plot developments are going to proceed out of this relationship[/B], or at the very least, are going to parallel this relationship. An Initial Romantic Relationship, as I have defined it, in its truest form is not going to occur very often in action based manga. But something less pure and less essential (though not by much) appears in Shouen manga with an almost alarming frequency. This type of relationship is obviously going to be more complex, more susceptible to obstacles and more dramatic in over all tone. Things to watch out for when trying to determine if the relationship is an Initial Romantic Relationship .

(All of these factors have to be viewed in their totality; no single element will be accurate enough)

b How much time does the couple spend together?

This is the very basic element; how much time does the couple spend interacting? As a loosely held rule, two characters are not going to have a IRR (Initial Romantic Relationship) unless they have a great deal of panel time together. Character and plot development requires a foundational understanding of a character and their certain attributes, for conflict to arise, and for the character to face that conflict. All of this takes TIME.

Perceived level of physical attraction, ability or inability to “touch” and other "romantic" type emotions

This one is obvious I think; unless the main character is physically attracted to their potential counter part a creditable argument for an IRR is hard to make. Adult Romance does have a physical component; touching, or being able to express feelings (or not being able to; reluctance can be as reveling as exuberance) through non-verbal means is very important feature of a developing IRR. Common circumstances to look for that will provide a great deal of very creditable data
1) scenes where a girl gets dressed up or is wearing a bathing suit; 2) the classic blushing on contact. 3) any type of jealous behavior especially with the opposite sex. 4) if the girl strikes the guy a great deal (this shows that she is comfortable with him)

One more characteristic to look for is the constant calling of each others names; To be honest I don't really know why they are constantly doing this but it's pretty safe to assume that a IRR exsits if the main characters are both constantly doing this.

Evolving Nature

An relationship that is a driving source of the story is not going to maintain it’s status quo very long. It will always be changing in some way. The characters that occupy this important position have too much panel time to display a stagnating or passive interaction. It can be development through a third party but it has to be developing in some way because if its not developing then its backsliding.

I want you to remember that the “main couple” will not always display all of theses elements and by way of warning don’t take this discussion as cannon. Just remember to keep in mind the things that I have mentioned when you doing your own analysis. I believe that if you will, you will understand the IRR alot better.

A few examples,

Before we go into the examples; remember the SLIDING SCALE; each anime that has a IRR will vary in compliance to what I have shared with you. Not all of them will exhibit the exact same characteristics.

Shakugan no Shana is a good example of a very well developed, solid IRR. The relationship between Yuji and Shana has great on going importance to development of the story and though its progession isn’t the overall goal, the power/strength gains in terms of combat ability, the self-realizations and character development revolve around their interaction Truly one of the most important moments in the story comes after the defeat of the bad guys when Shana is able to recognize that she loves and needs Yuji

Inuyasha is a another good example of this particular point (though over all this story is poorly done in the terms of spacing). Many of Inuyasha strides in power and maturity come from the influence that Kagome has on him.

The Purest Initial Romantic Anime Relationship To date

(Or at least that I can think of...)

Tsubasa Chronicle: The entire story revolves around the relationship Sakura and Syorian; I don’t want to spoil it for you because its a well done anime that you should watch. What I will tell you is that Sakura’s health and well-being (and eventually her love) is Syorian sole goal and his sole ambition; she is why he journeys and fights. She is why he pushes forward. She is why he exsists. Almost all plot development is a deteritive of their initial romantic interest. You aren't going to find an IRR that is more connected to the story then this one.

Supplemental Relationship

The supplemental relationship is just about any other relationship that doesn’t fall into the Initial relationship catergory. Theses relationship are added to simply “supplement” the story as it is. It’s something for fans that usually has little or no bearing on the goals or outcome.

Naruto is the best example I can think of at the moment that follows this pattern. The goals, and progression has very little to do with the main love interest of the main character. Anything that happens with Sakura and Naruto would be just to add a bit of diversity to the story and maybe a little drama. However any development that’s romantic in nature in this particular story will not effect the overall outcome of the story.

As a side note American story telling, at least in the fantasy realm, exhibits tendency to use supplementary relationship instead of IRR. Harry potter, Eragon, Star Wars, Belgaird, The Sword of Shannara series are just some examples of VERY popular books that don’t exhibit the use of the IRR in story telling.

Now that we have a basic understanding of romance and it’s possible functions in story telling, lets examine some of the assumptions and pre-dispostions that surround shouen manga

Shouen types?

Like every other literary phenomena that arises out of a specific culture the culture itself will be create the most common themes used. Samurai, ninja, magic, mechs, and time travel are some of the most common items used in anime because they are all things that the Japanese culture find appealing. Even causal anime watchers know this. Something that isn't known however is the fact that Shouen actually has sub-catoergires. Action, Harem and Comedy are just to name a few. The very induction of the sub-caterogies of Harem and Comedy should be enough to dispel the illusion that romance doesn’t exsist in Shouen anime and manga. Harem anime is totally center on romance, granted not very believable romance, but romance nonetheless. Comedy as well, romance is a very important and highly developed component of many comendy Shounen manga. However it should be stated that most people associate Shouen manga with “action” type pieces and that’s where the of the assumptions about romance comes from.

Shouen Plots

Shouen plots are often very great in scope. Their goals are very grand and epic which is obtained by a mastery of skill, an acquisition of power, and reinforcement of resolve. This type of plot, plots that are boarder in scope and larger in purpose, have a tendency to not only breed romantic relationships and situations but also “destroy” them. Take a look a fandom, any fandom, of a popular Shouen manga/anime. There will be a discussion of pairing potential among the characters. It’s almost a given. The question you might ask is why. High stress situation can often lead to the reexamination life and circumstances. Interaction with someone, day in and day out, in situations where you HAVE place trust in another can strengthen existing levels of emotional attachment and create varying degrees of physical attraction. How many anime have been done where a romantic interest is sparked from the “hero” in a story saving another from a dangerous situation? Answer: So many that I would I spend the rest of the day typing it out if I were to attempt to list them. That is why in a story like Bleach, where the status quo was disrupted by the interaction of a male and female lead; there will always be thoughts of romantic inclination. Always. The plot patterns and circumstances almost force you to raise that question. On the counterpoint, because one single interpersonal relationship pales in comparison to say, world domination, that relationship doesn’t get the chance to develop in a “normal” way. Shouen Plots don’t allow for the romantic relationship complexity of a manga like Peach Girl because they have “bigger fish to fry” But in Shouen action manga with a male and female lead romance does exist and is used frequency.

One of the more interesting aspects of the Shouen plot is how they readily provide “reasons” as to why two people would fall in love. A common thing that you will see in many Shoji manga is a declaration love between two characters without an understanding as to why. The situation of having “larger fish to fry” while not being able to provide the relationship complexity that a “normal” situation would present, gives more believable avenues of relationship development allowing two prospective, unrecognizable romantic candidates the ability to overcome obstacles to their interpersonal interactions. This will be come more clear as we explore assumptions about Shouen leads.

Shouen leads

Not too long ago I was reading a debate between two oppositing fandoms on a potential pairing in Bleach when someone, who incidentally wasn’t even apart of the original discussion, made a seemingly throw away comment concerning the arbitrary joining of male and female leads and how that really upsets him. In the hopes of gaining an understanding of his reasoning and source of discontentment I asked a few non-intrusive questions in which he got kind of defensive. Afterwards I posed the question to my Students and had a few discussions with my wife; I came to the conclusion that this attitude comes from overemphasis on the “ends” of a story and a lack of emphasis on the “means” This is a poetic way of saying that the individual I was speaking to was more interested in the snap shot picture he would get at the of the story then he was with the progression of the story itself. If people are willing to slow down, take a step back in their analysis of potential pairing and look at build up of the story, the seemingly random nature of male/female pairing loses its arbitrariness. The “reasons” for their love become apparent.

A few things to remember for Shouen male leads and Shouen Female leads.

Moment of change

Look at the Buso Renkin, Shakugan no Shana, Inuyasha, Full Metal Panic, Tsubasa Chronicle, Vandread, Bleach and countless others. If you look at the plot outline in all of thses animes, the story ensues when there is an introduction of a new character and a change in the status quo. (Some have one of these elements some have both) Any life-changing event is going to stick readily in your mind; whether it be a moving away from home for the first time., the start of a new job or development of a new love. All of these events are going to have a special place in the book of your life. Now think of the nature of the change experienced in all of the animes mentioned. While all of the events I discussed are large and very influential think of how you would feel if you experienced dying and being brought back to life (Buso Renkin), or one day you came to the realization that you were already dead ( Shakugan no Shan). Of course these types of events are going to have a correspondingly greater effect on your life and create a larger imprint in your memory. Use Ichigo from Bleach for an example. Racked with pain and guilt for the inability to protect the one he loved most and walking around day in and day out, powerless to change the situations of those in need, the Ichigo we knew at the beginning of the story was without purpose, without power, and without hope; then all the sudden Rukia shows up and all that changes. Rukia was both responsible and present for the change of the status quo. She gave Ichigo the power to protect the ones he loves and thus gained a special place in his heart. But It’s not just the power that Rukia gave to Ichigo thats important though; the power came with him making new friends (Renji, Hanaturo, Ganija, Yourichi, Uarahara, Inoue), gaining new goals, new levels of maturity and new hardships. The difference now is that Ichigo has someone to share those hardships with; he has someone who understands him perfectly and will do everything in her power to help. Any women would be at initial disadavantage going against Rukia as number one in Ichigo's life. Inoue of Bleach, Kazumi of Shakugan No Shana, Tessa from Full-Metal Panic and Misty of Vandread all find themselves in difficult positions because of events prior to their love realization fundamental create an unequal playing ground in which the main female lead has the advantage.

Time, forced or otherwise.

In our discussion of the Initial Romantic Relationship it was made clear that the importance of time spend together is the essential to the establishment of a romantic relationship. This is another element of the male/female lead relationship that leads to a natural affection. It’s awful difficult to fall in love with someone who you are never around. Look at all the animes that mentioned. In every single one the male and female lead are forced to spend time together (at least initially). Since I’m posting his in a Bleach forum I will again use Ichigo and Rukia. Change the facts of Bleach for a moment. Say that Rukia was just a normal high school kid. How many of you think that they would actually spend any sort of time together? I know I don’t think they would. Ichigo is not a person who is easily approachable; that coupled with Rukia’s abrasiveness and pride, would make a very incompatible situation for the two of them. They were, however forced to spend time with each other and thus was able to explore each others heart on a more personal level. The Memories in the Rain Arc, which is a very important component to Rukia’s and Ichigo’s relationship development, would not have happened unless they were forced to be with one another. All of the other animes thus far discussed have a similar situation.

Uniqueness of Interaction

Look at the relationship dynamic of the main female and male lead in anyone of the anime mentioned you will see that there is something different about the interaction of the male and feel lead. Again using Bleach as an example, Ichigo’s interactions with Rukia are different then not only any other female in the story but different then any other person in the story. He just acts different around her. Sagara from Full Panic is another good example. While incredibility dense his interactions with Kaname are far different then his interactions with Kaname’s friends, Mao and Tessa. Those interactions are in the light that he has known Tessa and Mao far longer then Kamane.

[B]The Language of Love[/B]

Shouen manga that is action based is going to have different terms of expression when dealing with the different romantic situations. Lets look at Buso Renkin for example, (and I'm going to actually provide pictures)

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If you watch this show and look at the course of this conversation, you will see that Kazuki replaced "love" with the word "protect". It is very obvious how Kazuki feels and what he wants to have happen. He love Tokiki and wants to be with her, but he does not say this. He says "I wanted to her protect then.....and my feelings have only gotten stronger" This "word replacement" happens all the time in shouen manga; Inuyasha is another example of this. Inuyasha has hard times expressing himself; but the audience knowing his heart takes his words in conjuction with his actions and translates " I will protect" to "I love you". This is a trend that you have to recognize or some potentially romantic moments will be lost on you.

There are other reasons I could share but I will stop there because I think you get the point. Keep these factors in mind when discussing the male and female lead relationship dynamic and then ask yourself do they display these elements? If so, In what form and with what level of intensity? If you do this, coupled with the IRR analysis you will be well on your way to understanding romance as a story telling device and element, and begin to see that there is romance in Shouen Manga.

Romance in less obvious ways

One point that should be conceded is that Shouen manga is not “romance” oriented. Complicated, complex relationship issues are not going to be presented, battled and overcome in these stories. However, the concept of love, friendship, sacrifice, loyality and trust are all going to be items of interest as the shouen manga plot is expounded. To be able to truly understand how romantic some of these stories can be a bit of extra research might be needed and a understanding of the catch phrase should be placed into context. For example, kissing in Japan is considered far more sexual, personal and intrusive then in the U.S; that’s why you won’t see it very early in a story like Bleach. But look at for instance, the interaction of Kagome and Inuyasha and notice how romantic their relationship is; notice how he always touching her around the waist and shoulders these are all considered romantic gestures in Japan. Again I refer back to Rukia’s actions at the end of the Memories in the Rain arc. Having a boy lay his head in your lap is considered very romantic. There are countless other examples if you know where to look.

To recap,

Remember the tools of analysis and types of relationship you are dealing with look at the situations that the characters are in and the cultural context in which characters are created. You will find romance; I promise you.

In conclusion I would merely point out that some assumptions of Shouen are correct when it comes to romance. Complexity isn’t going to be as great, declarations are not going to be as readily available and progression beyond the early portions of the relationship are not going to be portrayed, but you will see romance, believable, recognizable romance if you willing to take the time to look.

Inoue's Confession Part Two

Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:23:25 GMT

Ok So this is going to be a follow up to my Confession analysis; before you read this follow up on the Inoue Confession Analysis I would encourage to read the first part, otherwise you may not know what I’m talking about. . Here is a link [url]http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=180541[/url]

Goal: This essay is going to be another attempt to bring understanding to the masses as to why inoue’s confession is important, what can be reasonably inferred from the writing style, pass context, manga trends and Japanese culture. We’re also going to look at some of the most commonly used arguments point and counter-point concerning the Ichigo/Inoue/Rukia dynamic. Let’s get started.

Assumptions:
1. Kubo is consistent and a good writer (meaning developments will be
reasonably foreseeable to lead us to the intended conclusion)
2. Inoue’s confession was for REVELATION not REITERATION

Overview

You know I am still amazed at how much debate still arises out of this particular chapter. So many questions to be asked and answers and so many fights to take up. For example, Was the confession a preview, a taste for fans, who are chopping at the bit to see the real thing? Or was simple development trying to establish increased affection for a widely forgotten character? The world may never know. In the light that so many people still talk about this event; and with a lack of something to do. I will now attempt to add additional understanding to those of you who care.

Since I expect you have already read part one of this essay I am not going to reiterate why the confession phenomena is so important; instead I would like to start out with the general mechanics of the confession and what could be learned for that. Lets use some pictures to do that.

Bleach 237 Page 12 [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-12.png[/IMG]

The first and most noticeable thing about this particular part is that Inoue is surprised with her own action. This is more significant then one might think because this indicates that Inoue doesn’t have a plan; it makes this visit feel more like a whim or spontaneous gesture. This page reiterates the fact that even as Inoue is entering the bedroom SHE DOESN’T KNOW WHY SHES THERE. Her feelings in fact remain a mystery even to her. This leads us into the next page.

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This page merely reinforces the point that was just presented; Inoue is in fact saying here that there are a lot of people that she cares for. They that are important; she loves them even. [B]“But…you….you are different…….*sad face* Why are you different?”
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Note on the commentary about Ichigo’s two sisters; Inoue is stalling. Her feelings are not only rapidly swelling but she is now starting to recognize the nature of the feelings. The comment about the two also reaffirms one of the many things she likes about Ichigo (How he cares and loves his family) This thought brings her back to the present.

The 5th and 6th panel; this is when it gets real. “it smells like Kurosaki-kun in here” A smell can be a very intoxicating thing; possible interpretation for this imagery is one of engulfment. It is suppose to give Inoue (us) the feeling that Inoue has plunged herself into everything that is Ichigo. The reason that “smell” was used instead of one of the other five senses, smell is supposedly one of the least instrusive of the five senses. She’s able to make contact without destroying the “build up” which is very important for a scene like this. This feeling of oneness emboldens her, and she finally understands that this is the last time she will see him. She tries to act one more time with concern to Ichigo. (she tried to protect him (and her friends) and couldn’t; she tried to catch up to him and couldn’t; she tried to comfort him and couldn’t.)

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Pictures are worth a thousand words. The 5th panel is very important; this is where she realizes that she can’t do what she really wants to because she doesn’t have the right. Compare Panel 3 [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-151.png[/IMG] with Panel 5 [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-152.png[/IMG]
In 3 she is just holding on wanting to remain close; 5 is desperation as the realization sinks in;

She has to let go…but she doesn’t want to...

Which leads to Bleach 237 Page 16 [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-16.png[/IMG]

This is a very telling page; First, the panel size, location and emphases shows just how emotional and over powering this is for Inoue. Then the words drive home a subdued point, she says “No good… I guess I really can’t….Its no good… even though this last thing I try and do (for you/with you)

Now this is where interpretation and understanding breaks off into the various arguments; I will go into the various arguments and discuss their various strengths and weakness a little later. Right now Let’s follow through and pick up some general knowledge that could help us understand a little better. The thing that I want you to notice is there was suppose to be a kiss; not a kiss and a confession. Just a kiss; this kiss should have conveyed all the feelings. The kiss should have and would have given all the satisfaction needed. In confessing your love there is a progressive method (especially in Japanese culture); as a simple illustration most people aren’t going to run up and kiss someone then tell them they like them. (especially in a situation like Ichigo’s and Inoue where he doesn’t know anything) The word confession finished what the kiss started; but only because of the kiss failed. I’m speculating but I think that if the kiss had been completed that would have been all the confession that Inoue (and the fans) needed. The important thing is that both actions were supposed to give a level of accomplishment; of satisfaction. That is important to note; remember it because I’m going to come back to it.

The actual words of Inoue’s confession can also tell us much; the talk of 5 lives and 5 differences places (with the same person) quantifies the depths and intensity of her love. However, one might say, what is accomplished in a confession to a sleeping person? Really nothing has changed? Isn't the whole point of a confession to inform someone else of something important? Look at the wording Inoue chooses Bleach 237 Page 17 and 18 Page [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-17.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-18.png[/IMG]

I want you to see the the implications that this wording creates . When you say[I] I love you[/I] to someone there is a level or mutuality and reciprocity; the most common response is [I]I love you too[/I]. Most of the time [I]I love you[/I] is said because they want to hear I love you too (Most people aren't going to say it first unless they are pretty sure they are going to hear it back) However, the phrase and timing of Inoue’s confession tells me that Inoue is looking for not the I love you too but for closure; her entire confession, like her discussion with Mammumto, was focused on her. (except the parts about Rukia) What she wanted to do. Where she wanted to go. What she wanted to be.

Inoue in fact understands that this experience is for her and her alone.

“I…(would) fall in love with the same person…

Again, the confession focuses on her; not him. When an individual confesses in this manner it most likely means that they have little or no hope of reciprocity. Inoue’s goal isn’t to let Ichigo know and steal his heart, but accept her position and failures, understand her feelings and contentions and possibly move on.

So what should all this tell you? A couple of things I think. One, the tone and method of the Confession may allow Inoue to move on [B]WITHOUT[/B] telling Ichigo how she really feels. I know that many of you aren’t going to like to hear that; but inoue got what she wanted in the end though may not in the most ideal way. She was able to help her friends with her sacrifice, she was able to help Ichigo and tell him how she felt. Now she is going to attempt to put an end to Aizen’s plan by destroying the orb. In her mind, (you may disagree) she could have come full circle.

Two, Inoue is stronger then you all thought. How heart breaking, there is nothing sadder then unrequited love; especially a love that never really had a chance. If Inoue had taken steps earlier, (before Rukia came in) she may have been able to make that jump from precious friend to sole loved one. I guess we’ll never know. As initial prediction (and I have been wrong before) If two things happen I think it may really be the end for the Inoue and Ichigo bandwagon. (and again this is my opinion) If Inoue doesn’t get saved by the crew; meaning they leave and she remains in HM, and, if Rukia returns to Ichigo’s house and/or to the Vizards hideout to train. The already vast difference in perceived affection will be way too great to overcome. Inoue is already contending on a unequal playing field (I would encourage to you see my Essay on Romance in Shounen Manga especially the portion of Character’s pairings to understand why [url]http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=195657[/url]); if these things happen this way and the story remains true to itself; then Kubo would have a hard time convincing me that Inoue and Ichigo could really happen.

Really the attitude of Inoue in the future and the status of the Ichigo/Inoue Pairing could be as Inoue sees it. [IMG]http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/Sinta_02/bleach-ch237-19.png[/IMG]

“Thank you Ichigo (For letting me love you; for being you….)….Good bye….

Why didn’t Inoue kiss Ichigo?

That is the question isn’t it; on the outset I want people to realize that there two ways to view this scene (and two ways alone). This moment is either an Ichigo/Rukia scene brought forth by the actions and revelations of a third party or an Inoue scene; that’s it. This in no way develops Ichigo and Inoue’s relationship whatsoever. For many of us long term fans, this scene was a conformation of what we have excepted since the 5th chapter of the manga. I know that this information is going to come as a blow to many people; however the point stands, that regardless of what Inoue did or said to ichigo. His perception of her has not changed. Actually in a simple comparison, minus all the hype, Ichigo and Inoue’s relationship received more development in The Soul Society Arc then in the current one. Why? Because Ichigo’s perception of Inoue changed; their relationship potential became greater. ( This an important component of story telling that allows readers, in hindsight, to reasonably foresee an intended conclusion.) In the current arc, Inoue’s personal development has received a great deal of care; but very little in Ichigo/Inoue development has transpired. But why? Hopefull we'll be able to answer that; now back to our original question Why didn’t Inoue kiss Ichigo? Here are the top answers given by the Inoue/Ichigo shippers;

Argument One; Inoue didn’t kiss Ichigo because of propriety or cultural norm.

I really have myself to blame for this line of reasoning; for the most part, the only time you will really see this argument is in connection with my original confession analysis. I went to great lengths to make people understand the importance of structure and propriety in Japanese culture. However, this is a very weak argument and for a very simple reason. About the last thing on Inoue’s mind right now is what random other people would think if they found out that she kissed Ichigo. In desperate situations or crises often the last thing on peoples mind are the cultural norms, or the accepted lines behavior that dicate their day to day interactions. Look at any crises, people are constantly acting out because they know that this may be their last opportunity to fulfill that unspoken desire (or they know they won’t get caught). Try to put yourself into Inoue’s position; you are finally alone with someone that you have been harboring a crush for, for over last three years. What an ironey the moment that you finally realize the depths of your affection…you’re forced to leave. As you start to move to make a gesture that will be the embodiment of all your feelings…you suddenly realize that PEOPLE MIGHT THINK POORLY OF YOU!!! I hope you are sensing the sarcasm because I am laying it on pretty thick. I hope you are can see how weak this argument is.

Argument Two; Inoue wouldn’t get any “satisfaction” from a one sided kiss

I used that language on purpose because it seems to be the catch phrase that it embodies the idea that because this situation isn’t what Inoue would deem ideal that she would gain nothing from the experience/gesture. Or, because the kiss couldn’t be mutual there is no value; While initially this argument might seem a bit better if you take a deeper look you will realize how poorly formulated this argument is as well.

The very first thing I want to you notice is in most anime that have a comparable situation; the kiss, that was withheld in Bleach, would normally be given. S-cryed an anime with a plot line with dual main characters provides us with a sample piece; one of the hero’s, Ryuuho, is in a love triangle with Mimori Kiryu (the childhood friend) and Scheris Adjani (an officer in HOLY). It is very obvious that the affection between Ryuuho and Mimori is the real deal, and that Scheris love, despite the high level of love and loyalty, was totally unrequited. With a simple comparison of the situations one can see simply that Inoue’s and Scheris’s situation are a great deal alike. Note: No fact pattern is going to be completely alike, you see this a lot in court proceedings, however the situations are similar enough that we can gain insights that we would not otherwise have had. The underlying parallel that will offer the most in the way of interpretation is this; both Inoue and Scheris love men that don’t’ love them back. Both are devoted and loyal, and both are going away. (Inoue is being kidnapped and Scheris is giving her life). Now that the foundation is placed, the question that should be asked here is why was Scheris is able to carry out the desire of her heart when Inoue wasn’t; Especially given that fact that we understand that this is what Inoue wants (the best she can get given the circumstances; if she didn’t want to kiss Ichigo, at least initially, she wouldn’t have tired to in the first place) Following this line of reasoning, what were the external/internal influences that played a part in the outcomes of each respective situation? This is the key question that should be able to help us reach our conclusion; It is safe to assume the internally both Inoue and Scheris have made the choice concerning the medium in which they will convey their feelings. (The both tried/did kiss the object of their affection.) This means that potentially each situation could have played out exactly the same. Both would have kissed their respective guys and died or left. However Inoue stopped, then when into this elaborate word confession; this wasn’t needed in Scheris case because all SATISFATION that could have been reached, given the circumstances, was done so. The difference that forced a divergence of outcome was not the internal influences (meaning the conflict of uncertainty or perceptive acceptability; She isn’t thinking that, “I want ichigo to kiss me back so I’m going to wait”) but the outside influences. Namely but not exclusively Rukia; Scheris was able to follow through because she didn't care about Mimori. we’ll come back to this later.

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Argument Three; More then satisfaction

This is probably the most convincing of the third arguments presented. To make the distinction between this argument and the last argument, the last argument says that because Inoue’s “ideal” didn’t happen that she wouldn’t gain anything from her actions, and therefore would not follow through. This argument however, says that Inoue would gain TOO MUCH from her actions; that kissing Ichigo would make her that much more attached to him that she can’t bear the lost of his companionship. It has been said before, the first kiss to a Japanese school girl (or their anime representations) is a huge deal; the idea of first love is something that is idealized in Japan. It has a component of purity and innocence that Japanese culture just eats up. All of these elements come together for Inoue; Inoue pulls back because she doesn’t want to break her heart anymore then she has too.

The only problem with this argument is the statement that Inoue made right at the end of her failed attempt. Inoue, on Page 16 is essentially lamenting her inability to complete/accomplish something that has to do with Ichigo. Inoue says “This is the last thing I try to do”, obviously she doesn’t mean “this is my last action ever” just that this is my last action with regard to Ichigo. The tears come from the a realization that she loves Ichigo and that his heart PROBABLY belongs to someone else. The first time that Inoue cried it was because Rukia was able to get through to Ichigo when she wasn't; her comment is referencing this earlier event. Given the details and context of the situation and circumstances it would be that far-fetched think that she again is trying to do what should be left to Rukia; She really doesn’t feel like she has the right. This theory (that’s all it is) viewed in conjunction with Ichigo’s earlier behavior (and Inoue’s reactions) creates very creditable circumstantial evidence in favor of a Rukia/Ichigo interpretation. However, it is vague enough that all the analysis and assumptions provided could be made void. If Kubo wanted to make it easy he would have told us why.

Bringing it all together

Ultimately, I am of the opinion that Inoue’s decision to not follow through with her attempt is a combination of Ichigo’s perceived affection for Rukia and Inoue’s desire not to fall harder then she already has. We however may never know this and regardless of what I, and other try to do to put an end to the on going debate; until we have a cannon couple this will be an on going discussion.

Hope you enjoyed it; if you have any questions let me know.

Inoue's Confession Analysis

Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:28 GMT

A confession analysis,

The essay is a continuation of my fan’s pairings analysis and my Love Triangle Essay. After reading many of the comments and debates gathered during my empirical study I found myself picking out various arguments and situations that I wanted to take a closer look at. This happen to be one of them. The Inoue confession. While favorable to some and mortifying to other the Inoue’s confession, regardless of reception, will stand out in it memorability and importance. We’ll start with some discussion of Japanese cultural attributes and their way of dealing with relationships. We’ll follow this discussion with a “confession phenomena” analysis and clarification, followed by practical application to the Bleach Universe and specially Inoue.

If I was writing an extensive empirical paper concerning this I would start out very general discussing the individualist ways of Americans verses Japanese highly structured, highly complex views of interaction. I’m not doing a college paper however, so i will spare you the citation and step by step breakdown and analysis. A simple understanding that Japanese interaction in the private and public matter is very different then Americans. I will provide a few examples that will lead into our discussion.

Our whole discussion which will lead to greater understanding revolves around Japanese relationship phenonma. Which the establishment, maintenance and other intricacies are far different from Western ideas and understanding. The first example we’ll look at is the suffix/prefix language component. This is a very basic example of cultural differences in the East and West, and is very common in not only in Japanese but all oriental cultures. The incorrect use of suffix can be highly affronting. In the Philippines when greeting someone you can say “Kumusta Ka na ba?” This is a very informal way to greet someone as opposed to the very formal. “Kumusta po na ba sila”. I learned about this first hand while living there that if you use the wrong form of address you will not get very far in your interpersonal relationships. Like the Philippines, Japan has a many different suffixes and prefixes used for different situation. In many anime you can often see characters, who are usually in some sort of service capacity, gets very angry when people don’t use a proper suffix or prefix; on the other hand the the lack of suffixes or prefixes is either an indication that the individual is really rude or that the relationship is of the nature that renders suffices or prefixes unnecessary. Bleach provides a good example. Byakuka while recovering in the SS arc is annoyed with Ichigo and wonders if he is going to keep referring to him the familiar. The list goes on. This is a shining example of how important this is though as Americans (Canadians etc) this is often lost on us.

Another example can be seen in everyday Japanese dialogue. When directly asked a question it is not uncommon to get a very around about answer. This is to avoid a potential confrontation or offending the person asking the question. Many times when asked a direct question a yes will be given when it’s actually a “maybe” or a “maybe” when a “no” is meant. The perception is better that it is better to be “unsure” then to potentially offend in such in up front manner.

These two examples are simple illustrations of the importance of maintaining the status quo in interpersonal relationships. It is important to Japanese that people are polite and non-confrontational. Everything is a reflection of this ideal. Businesses in Japan function around team cooperation and projects as opposed to individual merit and achievement potential. I have cited a few examples. There are many more

Now that a functioning understanding of basic we might be able to understand and tackle the importance of a Japanese relationship confession.

The Confession to love or not do love

The idea of public/formal declaration of love is a very foreign concept to Americans. To gave you rare example for my own life, when my wife and I got engage this wasn’t something that was unknown or out of the air. The engagement was something initially very informal. We just kind of came to the conclusion at some point even before we really had the “us” talk. (Mainly because i was getting uglier by the day and if I didn’t marry my wife now and I asked her later she probably would have kill over and died from laughter. Yes I am that goofy looking I can admit it) For those of you who care I did ask her properly. (It was in front of the fountains of the Beligo in Vegas, everyone was crying. It was very touching) This is a very common experience in the U.S relationship department. Declarations of love in a less formal way. It’s probably incorrect to say that Americans don’t communicate directly they do, as a matter of fact one of the key indicators of a successful relationship is one that has an amble amount of direct communication especially in conflict resolution. But American’s like to use physical intimacy as a medium to express themselves this concept can be seen in popular culture. Who hasn’t seen the situation where a young girl in search of love feels that she has to have sex to show her boyfriend she loves him. It is also not uncommon for a couple to go out on a date, not discuss their feelings, hold a hand or steal a kiss which allows the relationship to proceed. In contrast relationships in Japan, in theory at least, have a proper order to its sequence. I could give you statistics to look up but I will give you examples from other anime just to show that I’m not misleading you. Two clear examples are in Air Gear and Suzuka. I apologize if you have not read these mangas I suggest you do so.

Example: Air Gear

In Air Gear, the childhood friend and main female love interest, Ringo, is on a field trip with the main character, Ikki, and all of their friends. It is realized very early on in the series that Ringo is very much in love with Ikki though she has a mature understanding that her most probably position in his heart is that of a sister. On a very amusing side note, there is a “legend” that school field trips which are a very big deal to Japanese high schoolers, have some sort of power to bring couples together. You will often hear of the “power of the field trip”, as matter of fact many animes make reference to this belief/running joke. Back to Ringo, in a attempt to paint you a picture. Ringo feels that maybe the “power of the field trip” would work in her favor in an attempt, to at least disclose, if not incite Ikki into some sort of forward progression. However, within this attempted use of feminine whiles Ringo has an inner monolog that is very revealing. Ringo in cosplay is walking with Ikki and continues confesses to him and herself her feelings and is scared that Ikki will hear “the beating of her heart”. Ikki seems to be playing along he pulls her around a corner to “talk” and starts to move in. This is like 80 chapters into the manga so it’s not like this hasn’t been developed. Ringo is straight up in love with ikki. There is no doubt about that. However, as Ikki is “going in for the kill” (kiss her) She continues her inner monolog saying “No its not like I don’t want.....but there’s a proper order.....” I won’t spoil the rest for you because it’s pretty funny, but it illustrates the point. Sequence, order, proper behavior and structure. You have to follow the sequence for it to be done properly.

Example Two: Suzuka

One more example for Suzuka, again if you haven’t read the manga I suggest you do so. A secondary love interest named Honoka is on a track trip trying to get our main character's attention. Yamoto, the main character, (who’s an idiot by the way) is all depressed sitting on the stairs outside at night. Honoka knows that Yamoto liked(s) Suzuka, the main female love interest, a girl who has already rejected him once, Honoka in a attempt to convey her feelings and comfort him (he’s depressed though it’s not girl related) grabs his hand. Suzuka shows up in an attempt to find Yamoto. Honoka freaks, in attempt to get Yamoto to look at only her (idiot) Honoka kisses him. The next day she looks for him, and attempts to kiss him again. He however, resists. And in a very revealing moment she breaks down, not only because of the “rejection” though that’s part of it, but because “you are right we shouldn't (kiss) because we aren’t even going out and.....” Again there is a proper order to things. You have to follow the order.

In my research I found it interesting talking with native japanese (I know many from my days in the philippines) about the confession. Girls take it very seriously; another interesting idea that most American’s haven’t considered is the idea of a note book full of questions. Not as prevalent as the plain old confession, the giving of a note book questionnaire to a boy or girl is an attempt to get to know some better in a very non intrusive way. It’s another way to maintain face and develop the relationship at the same time. We do have something similar here in the states but I think the last note book I got was in like 6 grade so suffice to say the note is something that Americans don't readily understand and use.

The “confession phenomena ” can happen anytime and to anybody. Tt’s not necessarily a prerequisite that you know the object of your affection in advance though this seems to be more desirable. It is not uncommon that a boy or girl not well acquainted with a classmate to receive a confession "out of the blue". Something like that is almost unheard of here in the states. We could go on. Suffice to say that the confession is one of the more interesting and important tools in the development of Japanese romantic relationship phenomena.

Why is all this important you might ask? This is something that must be made clear before we can into the application of all this information to Bleach. All this is important because you need to understand how important the confession is to the Japanses teen to truely understand the importance of the scene. Now that you know, we can move forward.

Application to the Bleach world and specifically, Inoue Orihime

The most interesting thing about a character like Inoue and specifically Inoue is the how increasingly she is being drawn from the shadows. A simple comparison of Pre-SS, SS and Post-SS has given the quirky comic relief known as Inoue Orihime a whole new level of depth and development. In the opinion of some, wonderful and much needed development, in the opinion of others, silly and pointless development that actually subtracts from her overall like-ability, and of course opinions that fall everywhere in between. Suffice to say that Inoue is now likely to gain in importance, if Kubo follows his own trends, and is not going anywhere anytime soon.

A few basic comments on Inoue’s romantic development through out the manga. Note first and foremost. Inoue is not the childhood friend. [SPOILER="For more information as to why this is important"] The childhood friend is used almost as much as the mystery girl or girl as a potential love interest. Essentially a boy and a girl who have been friends for a very long time harbors an unspoken love that they are too afraid to let show. Though odd in the eyes of many outsider but to the Japanese that tend to avoid confrontation and value inherit stability. A childhood friend should easily be able to make a transition from a friend to a love interest very easily and would therefore do very little to the "flow" of the life or family. For Americans this is strange. To illustrate, have any of you ever grown up with a childhood friend? Or in a small town? Do you often see a one side love affair that has been kept dormant for years at a time? Of course not, if there are feelings like that they are often resolved early on sometimes they develop sometimes they don't, but they rarely remain unexplored for years at a time. [/SPOILER]That in and of itself is very interesting for the simple reason that Inoue and Ichigo would have had something that instantly "bonded" them. But no, Inoue is reduced to a "friend of a friend". But even in this position it is hinted very early that she likes him (C2:P6,7; C3:P11). The nature of these feelings are very plainly that of a small crush. She thinks he's funny and is probably attrached to him physically. His is the extent however. Remember to keep in mind, Inoue knows very little about Ichigo and has spend very little time with him. She doesn't know that his mother died and had to receive that information from a third source. All in all, Pre-ss arc is an foggy time for Inoue. She has cliche anime characteristics and it's probably safe to say that she has cliche reasons for her crush. Suffice to say it's very difficult to pinpoint inoue at this time. There are other Ichigo/inoue moments pre-ss but they can hardly consider anything of real significance and as we go into the next arc Inoue retreats further into the back ground.

]Soul Society Arc:

While many die hard Inoue/Ichigo Fans would disagree with me. The Soul Society Arc wasn't a great deal kinder in development for Ms Inoue. Significant things to note is a large portion of the Arc Inoue and Ichigo remain separated with little or no interaction. There is some significant development however. Chapters 164 and 165 of the manga come to mind. While the reasons for inoue’s behavior remain a mystery readers get the opportunity in these chapters to dive deeper into what makes INoue, inoue. The first time I watched the anime and read he manga this particular scene came as a huge surprise to me. The whole arc had been Rukia, Rukia, Rukia, then all of the sudden we are blinded sided with this Inoue development when perceptively nothing has changed in their relationship. As for an actual explanation for the change none could be given at that point in the manga. But at this point it appears that a crush is turning into something different. Just wish we knew why.

With the conclusion of the Soul Society Arc Inoue’s position has changed very little in regards to her development and Ichigo’s perception of her. All the characters got closer, Ichigo and Inoue included, you can’t go through an experience like that and not feel an affinity for the people who joined you, but there isn't anything special about Ichigo/Inoue, or even Inoue at this point. Going into the Arrancar and HM arc Inoue’s position is probably comparable to Rukia’s position leading into the Soul Society arc. Many maintain that Ichigo was in love by the time Rukia was taken away, if i was to bring that to a jury with a standard of “the preponderance of the evidence” I don’t think that would sell. To tow the more conservative line, it’s much more likely that Ichigo’s feelings are more along the lines of a protector and comrade. Ichigo at that time had added Rukia to his protection list though I do feel that signs of something deeper are expressed along the way. In comparison, Inoue heading into the AA arc and Hm arc has probably been added to the mental protection list that ichigo keeps close to his heart. However at this point there isn’t anything to indicate that there’s something special about their specific relationship. The real development is yet to come.

Arrancar Arc and HM Arc

In a attempt to reconcile extreme opposing views concerning Inoue’s current position and potential. A middle of the road approach is probably the best bet. A note on my following analysis. This will be similar to what a judge does in a Motion for Summary Judgment. We’ll analysis “evidence” in he light most favorable to the plaintiff and then do the same for the defendant, or will look at the “evidence” in the light most favorable to Inoue/Ichigo, then in the light least favorable to Ichigo/inoue. I will provide; now you be the judge.

To best summarize Inoue has had a great deal of development in the current arcs. In the light of all the “evidence” provide Inoue’s development could be describe as extensive, exclusive, and introverted. It has been extensive, because in about 80 chapters Inoue goes from a character of comic relief with “weak” power, to character that exhibits a wide spectrum of complex emotions that forces her outside “her box”. A note on characterization and development; development of a character, any character, comes from the setting of a foundation, an initial understanding if you may, then making characters push against that understanding. (A character experiences things foreign they deal with it, and boom, development) Forcing characters into conflict is often how authors do this. Two general types of conflict are internal and external conflict. Inoue’s conflict, where most of her growth comes from, is internal in nature. That why creditable arguments for a Ichigo/Inoue pairing as of right now are few and far between. It is inoue’s conflict type that determines the nature of her development; and internal conflict more often then not, is going to lead to exclusivity, meaning that the conflicted character’s development is not going to effect other characters around him/her. (Development that is introverted is just another word for internal.) In the light of this analysis it’s very easy to mistake inoue’s development as Ichigo/inoue development. This is not the case. Internal conflict doesn’t magically translate into external interpersonal development. In a more mundane expression, in the terms of development only, one characters exclusive internal conflict doesn’t provide creditable evidence of interpersonal relationship progression. Inoue being developed does NOT mean that Ichigo and Inoue are a forgone conclusion and that the involvement of this potential pairing is the only way to resolve the conflict. However, and it is a big however, in the terms of trend application and speculation that is very much a possibility.

The idea of losing something can often force you reexamine your life and your priorities. This could be one stimulus for the Inoue’s dramatic change. The idea of pending war, the realization of potential death, and prospect of monumental lose will probably make anyone look inward. Rukia, reintroduction is the catalyze for this; it’s easy to speculate without much difficulty that Rukia starts to force Inoue to look inward. The other ideas mentioned while important are distant and surreal. Rukia however is very tangible and reminds Inoue of Ichigo and the pending disaster. That is where the real inoue development starts

A note, Ichigo’s vow ultimately means very little in the way of evidence or real devlopment; Inoue’s reaction tells us that. She wasn’t happy about what he said. It was the look in his eyes that made her happy. The fact that he was back to his old self. This chapter is important though because it help inoue start her development process.

On Inoue’s jealously, though initially this might be seen as indicator or a hint towards Rukia/Ichigo it doesn’t necessarily mean that it is. This will be explored in a moment.

A note on chapter 199, Inoue has not realized her feelings yet. Notice her conversation with Mammusto is about her. Ichigo and Rukia are almost side notes. She compares herself to Rukia; inoue wants to do what rukia does but not just because of Ichigo, that is almost an after thought, but because she wants to be strong. She feels like shes not. Inoue wants to protect, and couldn’t; this is an important difference, and one that Inoue herself doesn’t understand. This comment doesn’t necessarily stem because of her love of Ichigo (though ultimately I that’s part of it) This comment stems from her other insecurities. Her fear of being a burden and the though of being left behind. These emotions are brought to the surface because of what Rukia could do and what she couldn’t do but that’s all incidental. The comment that Inoue makes isn’t one of someone in love. Note: Rukia could do this; but I couldn’t that makes me feel useless etc. (the fact that it was Ichigo probably added to the problem of course) If you are in love with someone you want to be able to do things for that person that no else can. That is the key, Inoue is not upset because Rukia’s close to Ichigo, it’s because she’s not. Her romantic love isn’t the main cause of her distress, but her other emotional infirmities.

Simple Comparison to Shakugan No Shana will ilustrate. When Shana and Kazumi discuss Yuji near the end of the series. The concerns brought up by Kazumi don't revolve around herserlf, you dont hear her saying i'm useless etc, but Shana. Kazumi brings up the point that it's not fair that Shana won't tell/admit she loves Yuji, but remain so much closer to him. Note the difference because it is key. Inoue wants to do what Rukia did. She's jealous that she couldn't; she goes on i'm useless etc. Kazumi doesn't only want to be the close to Yuji, she wants to be closer to Yuji. (doesn't want Shana to be close to Yuji, Shana feels the same way, "you can't tell him you love him. it's better if yuji stays with me") That's the key; that's the difference. Compare those scenes I think you will come to the same conclusion especially in the light of further of analysis.

Chapter 213 should be commented; this is a very telling chapter. Notice, it is not ichigo’s look that is important. The look in and of itself is nothing. It’s inoue’s reaction to the look. This is evidence that she’s starting to work through her increasingly complex emotions. Ichigo has never look at me that way. That makes me sad. Just as a side note, this is very strong circumstantial evidence that Ichigo feels more for Rukia. I think that degree depends on how far long inoue is in her understanding her feelings. The wieght of the evidence varys as that increases or decreases.

Chapter 228, Inoue resolves to become stronger. This is an attempt to resolve one of the two part problem presented in inoue’s development. Inoue wants to fight; she want to be with everyone. Therefore she needs to get stronger. If she gets stronger she can do that. Simple

Edit: and it seems i am was right you don't go slapping Espada when you have no back bone

CHAPTER 237

I commend you on getting this far.

Ultimately the thing that needs to be understood is Inoue’s confession is more for her benefit (and ours) then for anyone else's. Inoue’s various statements, I don’t want to be a burden, I don’t want to be left behind, I don’t want to look at your (ichigo’s) back, coupled with Inoue’s realization as to the depth of Rukia and Ichigo bond is part of her revelation that accumulates and peaks in chapter 237. Inoue does not realize she is in love with Ichigo until she gets to Ichigo’s bedroom. Inoue’s attempted kiss was not saying good bye, but in away was saying hello. It was saying that I think i have feelings for you. I may never see you again. This is one way I might find out. She however is unable to complete the task. Two possible interpretations.

Slanted In a Ichigo/Inoue light;

Inoue realizes the depth of what shes been feeling; she understands now, she is in love with Ichigo; One would think that she would want to kiss him good-bye. The problem is however, she doesn’t want to say good-bye. Inoue’s inability to kiss Ichigo maybe because not only would kissing him reenforce the fact that shes leaving never to return, but that it might strengthen a love realized (or perceived so) too late.

Note: the creditability of these arguments also depend on Inoue's state of mind before she gets to Ichigo's room. If Inoue is totally aware of her feelings. This argument loses it's footing.

Slanted In Rukia/Ichigo light:

Inoue’s inability to kiss Ichigo is because she’s had time to think about it and she knows why Ichigo is so happy that Rukia is back. She knows why he looks at her the way he does. She knows what Ichigo and Rukia might not know. That they love each other. Kissing Ichigo could strengthen love that could never be returned.

Inoue’s actual confession

Whether you air on the rukia side or the Inoue side the actual confession portion of the chapter doesn’t change much. It important to understand that Inoue’s confession was to reveal, not re-enforce. This is in imperative concept that must be understood. Inoue’s confession was a realization for her benefit. She maybe always felt that way, but it wasn’t until she came to his side that it was made real. The train of thought inoue followed was an attempt to articulate her own confused thoughts. “ whether five different cities, and fives different lives I would fall in love with you all over again.” It was in that moment that things became real for inoue. It was in that moment she became important.

Important to ichigo. No. He doesn’t really know, but important to the story. Why might you ask? Because before this point Inoue could have been taken out of the story to little or no effect. With this presentation Inoue is brought to the forefront. Her feelings will not be ignored. This is not the last time this issue will be brought up and INoue will not get over Ichigo until he knows about her feelings. Believe it.

In retrospect this confession, the actual saying of the words, may have also been an attempt to move on. To let go of her attachment to Ichigo. The "thank you" portion of the scene had a feeling of finality to it. Like this part was ending and something new is about to begin. Reasonable people however, will disagree here.

One thing is fore sure now. The status quo is not going to be maintain in regards to Ichigo/Inoue. She will either move forward, or move back. She will either progress or digress. Ichigo will attempt her love or reject, but she will not maintain this current state. Not for long anyway.

I will not offer my conclusion you can do that on your own. I hope I gave something to think about however.

Wow, longest essay yet. Thanks for reading. If you have any questions. Feel free to ask. I would love your comments. Thanks

Follow up: This post was originally at the Naruto Fans form where I was answering questions. I did a bit a follow up here.

This was a post I got on the NF where I did a bit of follow up as to why inoue was developed the way she was. This may had a bit of insight.

From mutluna,

One of your classics, again. Good post and for most points, I agree with you.

What I want to talk about is, why did Inoue improve with such speed, not in her personality, but her importance in the story? (Indeed, I think, she even got worse, lost her self confidence and became Ichigo centered more than ever but it is not our topic) Especially, for what purpose ch 237 serves for? Ichigo doesn't remember anything about the confession, he was totally unaffected by it and we all know Inoue loves Ichigo before this chapter. It was just a crush at the beginning, but we saw that it was growing day by day, although they weren't together most of the time. But whenever they were, Inoue always showed a different concern for him. Even when she was just thinking about him, her mood changed, Ishida helped us to notice that. So, ch 237 didn't show anything new, yes it was impressive all the way, but had nothing we hadn't known before.

Then, what is the big idea? I'd say it is only to make the story more dramatic, to increase the effect of her departure for us, readers. Before SS arc, while Rukia was forced to go to SS, we also had a dramatic scene, too. The difference is, Ichigo was aware of it and we have witnessed flashbacks of that scene many times. Adding an impressive part is just like to give a big shot before the new term starts. The relationship between Rukia and Ichigo developed during pre SS arc and similiarly in pre HM arc, Inoue got the spotlights on her. However what happened in that time for Inuoe, as the main character of the arc, was totally bounded by herself. Rukia was the one who knew about her most but we aren't sure how much. It is quite heartbreaking, by the way. By viewing how one sided and bounded by her inner world, I have trouble in considering that all of these arguments are going to create a love triangle or the dynamics of the relatonship between Ichigo and Inoue are going to change. No, I really don't think so. Because while all of these were happening, Ichigo wasn't aware of anything, not even a little. And the things which made Inoue jealous of weren't just her delusion, however our priority was not the things made her jealous, but her feelings about that. So why were we concerned about her feelings that much? It is simply because she was going to be in the center, and every single thought of her was important from that on.

By the way, I could use the differences between two departures and the backgrounds of departures for pairings but it is not the right place, so I quit here. :)

I don't have much time but i'm going to attempt to answer you; if i am totally off let me know.

The funny thing about bleach is how important the initial catalyze relationship is to the story. The first 181 chapters of the story is pushed on because Ichigo and rukia; now don’t get me wrong this isn’t a comment on their specific relationship dynamic, but you must recognize most of the major plot development at that point revolves around those two. (Plot development and Character development are different at times; at others they are the same) Compared to a anime like naruto the initial scope of Bleach’s story development is very narrow. Ichigo had to save rukia; that is the both the long term and short term goal, and the only focus. All of his strength revolves around this goal (He got his death god powers back, was able to defeat kenpaki, was able to obtain banki because of rukia) The subsequent arcs of bleach are distinguishable from this. The goals, scope and complexity of the plot has changed; with that it’s safe to assume the pacing will change as well. So what does this mean for Inoue? Several things to think about as to why she was developed in the way that she was.

Inoue out of the core characters was the least developed.

Initial description: Quirky comic relief with a possible superstar fixation on the main character.

While we have a understanding of Inoue’s personality (which is cliché; just like many of the other characters in the series) we don’t really know what makes her tick. If you could compare this to Chad, Ichigo, Ishida and even Rukia we understand why they act the way that they do. The readers know enough about the characters to understand the nature of their actions. Inoue had not been given that by the end of the SS arc. Kubo could have decided that Inoue needed additional development because she was lacking compared to the others. Kubo could have done it quickly because he wanted to get it out of the way.

Inoue was in the best position to make “plot” push and making it faster was the only way to do it effectively.

Inoue, who was being ignored, was in the best position to make further plot development to the overall story. The nature of her powers weren’t understood and she had little in the way of complexity. Inoue’s sudden development could have been a precursor to using her as a device in the overall plot; its rare that a character in inoue’s position will provide plot development and not receive precedent or subsequent character development. If that were to happen you run the risk of losing the interest of your readers. Continuing with that train of thought; the boarding of scope and complexity of the plot, the addition of an arch villain and the ever increasing list of prognostics would make it difficult to balance if Inoue’s development was as slow as say, for example, Rukia’s had been. Past arcs were much more narrow in focused compared to what’s going on currently; those arcs and their over all goal (saving Rukia) were more expansive because there is just less going on. That’s why Ichigo and Rukia relationships was able to under go such extensive and SLOW development. The argument could be made (loosely; I would have to think about this more) that Inoue’s development had to be faster because if it was as slow as Rukia’s not only would it be impractical in the terms of pacing, but she would get “lost” in everything else going on. While inoue has become more “important” the mere circumstances leading to her capture and detainment differs from that of Rukia’s making every component that goes into the story inherently different.

A real love interest/romance plot device

This is the one you are probably wondering about. Inoue’s development could very well have brought to the forefront in a attempt to make her a real contending love interest for Ichigo or she could end up as a tool used to bring Ichigo and rukia together. While Inoue could have very easily been a tool to make Ichigo and Rukia at least examine the nature of their feelings, with the reintroduction of a certain death god that doesn’t seem as likely. This points toward Kubo intending Inoue to be a real rival, however further information is needed to make any kind of creditable speculation.

Remember as the readers of a manga we have a special place with in the story. We are privileged to information that no else has; that being said as obvious as inoue affection was to us, it was not to her. This is why 237 was important; remember it is to reveal, not re-enforce. It was foreseeable because that’s what good story tellers do, but to make it so inoue was in a position to do something about it and to satisfy the fans of inoue, she was given the spot light. From this point on the very nature of the Inoue/Ichigo/Rukia dynamic has changed. Inoue will either make steps towards Ichigo or let him go. At least that’s what I see from this chapter.

BLEACH fans Empirical Study

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:27:17 GMT

The following is part one of the results of a little study that I conducted to find out why particular fan pairings were more popular then others in Bleach. This first post is about Rukia and ichigo and subsequent posts will be about Ichigo and Inoue, Rukia and Renji and so on.

Note on methodology: There are two types of empirical studies; quantitative and qualitative. The first is quantitative. These studies are usually in the form of a survey or another type of point type system, and tend to be more causal in nature. These are the types of studies that you can do statistical analyses on, meaning that you can compare the mean, medium, mode and use other types of analyses tools such as standard deviance, and the bell curve. The second type of empirical study is qualitative . These types of studies, by their very nature, are quite a bit more subjective in content. Interviews is the most common type of qualitative study. My methodology was qualitative in nature. I used the forum and asked the posters for information. I also went through the various forums and looked for peoples personal reasons. This study by it’s very nature is subjective, i had to gather the information, put into a table and try to interpret the information that I gathered. This section is the result of an effort to effectively understand what is so appealing about the different character parings. We’ll start out with Ichigo seeing that he is the main character. In the the study i asked posters from different forums to tell me what they liked about Rukia and Ichigo. This is the result of that question.

I would also note that many fans though very willing to give their opinions in a Rukia vs. Inoue forum were very reluctant to share when directly asked. I think this was the most surprising thing I found.

Overview

According to most fans, the Ichigo and Rukia pairing, by far, seems to reflect the natural outcome of the story and the message that is trying to be conveyed. People that don’t instinctively (for whatever reason) latch on to another characters (Inoue or Taskui) seem to feel that this is the best and most natural couple in the series. These were the most common items brought in the anticipation of a romantic relationship between Rukia and Ichigo.

Their relationship is the driving force behind the story.

It was mentioned earlier that a desire of most fans for an Ichigo/Rukia pairing comes from the natural progression of the story. If Rukia hadn’t showed up the story wouldn’t exist. The bulk of the story (the Soul Society Arc) revolves around Ichigo’s desperate desire to save Rukia’s physical and mental well being. (though the second was inadvertent I think) It doesn’t matter what Ichigo’s reasons were because people don’t identify with his words. It’s his actions that matter. And many fans interpret Ichigo’s actions with someone that is in love but doesn’t recognize it.

Rukia’s and Ichigo’s situation has a reverse psychology kind of feel to it. Rukia is the main female lead (there are very few who would argue that) but unlike other anime’s like Naruto, or Inuyasha she is quite popular. (unlike Sakura for instances, Hinata for a long time was far more popular. I am not sure if that is still the case) Rukia is consistently third or higher in the character polls in Japan. This is very odd, one hypothesis is that Rukia’s and ichigo’s relationship have the classic anime mold, but not the classic anime characteristics.

For example,

Mold: Boy meets girl (or girl meets boy) girl (or boy) changes boy’s (or girl’s) life. Problems are presented; story ensues.

Characteristics: More often then not. This situation almost requires some type of affection if not romantic affection. In my Love Triangle essay ([url]http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=157104[/url]) the fourth rule discusses the importance of the Main female/Main Male relationship and that it is something that is so paramount to your understanding of anime as a whole that it’s a component that should always be examined. Never ignore the weight of the main heroine/main hero relationship

However though Rukia’s and ichigo’s situation fits the mold it doesn’t fit the characterization. For example, the two have little or no physical contact and don’t display the classic “blushing because he/she touchs me” act that is prevalent in so many anime today. The few times that Rukia and ichigo do come into contact are often violent in nature and even if they aren’t violent, they arent particularly romantic. (Ichigo carrying Rukia like a football comes to mind) This lack of initial forthrightness in establishing some sort of deeper romantic affection in view of their development as a potential couple has left something missing in a familiar pattern, or for lack of better metaphor, a link missing in the chain. This leaves people who would probably of picked INOUE picking Rukia, assuming the mangka had a established Rukia and Ichigo as soul mates from the get go. Essentially this phenonena causes people to route for the outcome that they deemed more natural, all while leaving their affection in place. (Often people try to fight against fate when it comes to couples Sakura and Naruto come to mind) Essentially Rukia’s and Ichigo’s relationship has become the under dog that everyone routes for. It would have been interesting to see how the fandom would spilt if ichigo and Rukia had the cliche instance attraction thing going on. (See Suzuka for example) In light of this analysis, it's really quite amazing the amount of supporters that ichigo and Rukia have especially since there is no CLEAR indication as to the state of their feelings. It’s not apparent if Kubo intended it to be like this or if he even intends to maintain this status quo, but he’s doing a bang up job nonetheless.

Their realistic emotional intimacy and growth (Relationship Dynamic)

This is probably the most popular answer that was given when it came to research conducted. Even though people may really like other pairings for Ichigo or rukia they just have a hard time getting pass the depth of Ichigo’s and Rukia’s relationship. Their ability to see into each other hearts and the almost force progression that results is something that can’t be easily ignored by fans that don’t have a fixation on another character. Fans see this depth and progression and then look at ichigo’s other potential interest and they just can’t see Ichigo “loving” someone that is not Rukia. (Or loving someone else while Rukia is still around) Furthermore most fans see the realistic development provided and just grow more and more attached as time goes by and as Ichigo’s and Rukia’s perceived affection becomes more apparent.

Fans see that Ichigo and Rukia aren’t people who are shallow when it comes to their emotional complexity. In not so many words Ichigo’s and Rukia’s relationship is so dynamic and so complex that it breaks down people’s emotions to see two people with such obvious attraction ignore their rightful place at each other’s side. Furthermore the perceived, though not often commented on, reasons as why they would be terrible for one another seems to just further the fire of fan’s desire adding oil to the flame as fans try to envision Rukia telling Soul Society that she is staying in the human world to be with Ichigo, forsaking her status as a nobel, her duty as a squad member of the 13th division and her relationship with her brother and Renji. Simply put. Reasons. The fans can see the reasons that these two would fall in love.

An interesting phenomena that should be commented on in connection with this variable is the tendencies of Inoue’s fans who understand ichigo’s and Rukia’s relationship. Many times in forum it seems that those fans who are not blinded by their fanboyism and at least recognize that rukia is very important to Ichigo will often make claims to the true nature of Ichigo’s and Inoue’s relationship placing Rukia in a category with Ichigo’s sisters. This is a very interesting idea which effectively displaces Rukia from Ichigo’s side and opens the path to him. Which of course would be filled with none other then Inoue the only other real contender for Ichigo’s heart. This phenomena comes out of a recognition that a strong emotional bond exists but an unwillingness to confirm the most likely path the bond will lead to. It is not conclusive as to why they do this but it’s probably because of their deep affection for inoue.

People identify with Ichigo, Rukia, or paring itself

This is the most universal of the answers, meaning that it applies to every couple that will be discussed. People like Ichigo, or identify with him and want him to succeed in life and love. They think that Ichigo wants Rukia, therefore Ichigo should get Rukia. The same argument goes for Rukia and the pairing. While VERY unique in some ways, Rukia and Ichigo relationship isn’t that unique in others, especially if you look at the boarder spectrum of anime. Full Metal Panic and Naruto have similar relationships in that the couples are violent to the point of humorous. Many people have this type of relationship in real life. The playful banner, the hitting, the flirting Etc. Many people can identify with this behavior (having a problem expressing their real emotion) and can see themselves in that relationship. They relate to Ichigo or Rukia and want them to be happy, and by extension want themselves to be happy.

The reasons people don’t like Ichigo/Rukia

Predictability

People don’t like it when something is set up as a possibility when it really isn’t. Inoue likes Ichigo but as of right now many fans think that everything points towards Rukia/Ichigo (its not really, like i explained earlier the fact that Ichigo and Rukia isn’t a foregone conclusion is what makes them so likable) They don’t think it’s fair for Ichigo/Rukia to be a forgone conclusion. (Which is the way that fans of the Ichigo/Rukia pairing talk about it) These are the people that go for the underdog. (Which is confusing I know many people think that rukia is the underdog) People want the gym teacher from Canvas 2 to win not the stupid little blonde chick. They fight against the norm because the norm sucks.

The nature of their relationship

The people that don’t like this paring feel that the nature of Ichigo’s and Rukia’s relationship is brother/sister. These fans feel that Ichigo’s actions towards Rukia couldn’t constitute romance but a deep platonic bond. These arguments tend to stem from missed opportunity then something that would conclusively point towards a brotherly affection, however as it is often said in the forums. That is a matter of interpretation.

Well there you have that’s the Ichigo/Rukia Section I will update this as soon as Inoue/Ichigo section is done. Later

Ichigo and Inoue

Inoue and ichigo is probably the relationship that has had the most foreplay. Inoue is the main rival in fan-dom for Rukia and their forums and debates are often the most heated. This paring tends to be centered on either a hatred of Rukia or just an over abundance of love for Inoue. This paring is based more on individual character development and the emotional bonds those fans make through that development, then something that develops through the natural progression of the story, or Inoue/Ichigo specific relationship dynamic. The fans in this fandom can be especially outrageous in there claims, causing fans of the other paring or people that don’t have a preference just to ignore them. However many of them are very intelligent and quite good at their arguments employing things like structural parallelism, psychoanalysis and other types of tools that emboldens their points in a clear manner. The debates between these people and the Rukia fans who don’t fall back to bashing are some of the more enjoyable exchanges I have read on anime forums. Here are the most common items brought up.

Same age, good chemistry etc; she is the logical choice.

These are the ideas of fans that are hoped for and not seen in the manga, and really they have a point. Fans of this paring say that no one in their right mind would choose Rukia over Inoue. The idea is difficult to understand in unless you have a overall grasp of Inoue’s place within the Bleach world. Let’s use Shuffle as an example. Shuffle is a Harem anime about a boy who has a choice to marry the daughters of both the king of the gods and the king of the demons. He is also taken care of a childhood friend who by common consent is “all that”. In the world of Shuffle it is really hard to determine who would and who wouldn’t be “popular” based on their appearances alone. This is because the characters are so much alike in their appearance. The author handles this for us however by giving us a external source of information. We gain insight to the desirable nature of the other characters by the reactions of the main’s characters male classmates. This is a common tool used in Harem anime. (Naruto exhibits some of this as well) The author shows just how big a deal it is that all these girls like this one guy all while keeping the main character aloof. In the case of Shuffle, Kaede (the childhood friend), Nerine (Daughter of the lord of demons) , Shia (Daughter of the lord of the gods) have actual fan clubs at their school. Which incidentally provides for much of the humor in the series. There is less dramatic but equally obvious showing in Bleach. Inoue is shown to be the Diva in her school by Keigo, Kon, and even Karen. Within this scope of understanding we see that Inoue is beautiful, popular and by common consent just an all around good person. Fans compare this to Rukia’s rather abrasive manner and just can’t understand why any male would pick Rukia over Inoue.

Another point that should be looked at, is that realistically two people that have an amble amount of emotional baggage don’t tend to work well in a long term relationships. Fans point out that Ichigo and Rukia are messed up emotionally and that two people with this kind of cripple can’t communicate and change effectively. Fans point to Rukia recent out break in the current arc as an example. The fans comment that Rukia was scared to talk about the status of their relationship within the realm of a companionship. They say that if it was that difficult for Rukia to talk to Ichigo about their partnership/companionship, then how on earth can people plausibly believe that she would be able to talk about her real feelings? (If indeed she has them) [B]In connection with this idea fans also point out that as the development of a character becomes more complex the harder it is to change the very nature of that character. In truth the more development that ichigo and Rukia’s relationship receives as a “friendship” the harder it will be to make that step into a romantic relationship.[/B] Giving Inoue’s fan all the more the hope that they won’t.

Another thing that fans really like about Ichigo and Inoue is how Inoue seems to bring out Ichigo’s gentle side. Ichigo is a badass known for kicking butt and taking no prisoners. The gentleness that Ichigo seems to exhibits when in Inoue’s presence coupled with the person’s understanding of Inoue’s affection seems to tell fans of this paring that Inoue’s love may not be as one side as people intend to imply. The fans often look to the now famous quote of Mammsuto (to Inoue) which says, “With out his (Ichigo’s) bond with you Ichigo can’t remain who he is” This on the outside may look like something that is just flippant however if one thinks about Ichigo’s ability especially his grown rate. Ichigo may be faced with the possiblity of giving in to his own power, or his inner hollow. Inoue’s ability to bring out his gentle side maybe just exactly what he needs to continue on the path of righteous.

Inoue has big boobs.

I know that this sounds idiotic; I know this, but I had to put this in for the sheer volume of people who had this response. Though sad when you think about it, it makes sense. Simca of Air Gear in a conversation with Ringo, of the same manga, said this “it is the natural for men to fondle large breasts” Ringo asks if she was implying that Ikki (the main male character who was passed out at the time) had by default picked her implying the girl with the bigger breasts would win. Simca doesn’t answer and whether this is what Simca was implying or not is not really known but the argument still has merit. Men far more then women are carnal creatures. It is also a well know fact that most guys like bigger breasts. Inoue has large breasts so of course when guys who read this manga are presented with the choice they are going to pick Inoue over Rukia. This has nothing to do with Ichigo, the story, or even with emotion. The mere fact is if that same guy was in a similar situation in real life; they would pick the girl with the bigger boobs. Plain and simple. I could go on but I have insulted your intelligence enough this evening.

Inoue loves ichigo

This is actually alot more straight forward then many people think. In chapter 237 (spoiler) Inoue is leaving in the hopes of keeping her friends alive because Aizen has taken an interest in her powers. She is allowed to say good bye to one person. Now after five years of hints Inoue says, “If i just had 5 lives to live, then I could be born in 5 different cities, and eat until my stomach is full 5 times and work at 5 different jobs, and 5 times........fall in love with the same person.” Now say what you want about inoue but from that point she went from a quirky comic relief to a force to be reckon with. It was noted many times and in many post that this was the true moment of realization for many fans. That confession, which is probably one of the most tender moments in Bleach, was what really cemented the fan’s affection for Inoue. She loves Ichigo. She truly does. In a situation like that fans just can’t understand why the author would go through so much trouble to develop a character if her affection was just going to be thrown by the way side. In the minds of fans, Inoue who was ever present but never acknowledged deserves Ichigo, and nothing less will due.

It should be noted that this is the type situation that tugs on the heart. Inoue showed people in that chapter that she was truly in love and truly vulnerable. Fans can relate to inoue in this aspect which probably accounts for her die hard following. Who hasn’t had a situation of anticipated unrequited love? No one likes to see someone suffering in a situation like that. This goes to the very core of the human condition. It’s human nature to sympathize and Inoue seems to embody many of the fans of bleach who may have suffered from something similar.

I really relate to Ichigo/Inoue

(See first post)

Reason people don’t like Inoue/Ichigo

Inoue’s pinning after ichigo

Ironically, the very thing that draws many people to Inoue also repulses others. This response is a very dominate few of the female fans of Bleach. The fans who don’t like this pairing feel that Inoue’s character revolves alittle too much around her love of Ichigo and her jealousy of Rukia. Fans feel that for Inoue to be a truly 3-d character that she needs some self reflection focusing on what makes her tick outside of Ichigo, because at this point we don’t know what makes her tick outside Ichigo. Inoue isn’t a strong character so people who are strong (especially women) don’t understand her pinning and depression when it comes to Ichigo. Strong women (the fans) if they liked a guy would take steps to make him theirs. Period. No, if, ands, buts, about it. These type of women (Jenn I’m referring to you) are the type of people who get up and go after what they want. They don’t support INoue because they can’t relate to her.

Ichigo doesn’t want Inoue

This is also a very simple reason. Fans point out that in almost 300 chapters ichigo has never shown any type of romantic affection for Inoue, and he should have a say in it. simple.

There you have guys. Tell me what you think. I will update when Renji/Rukia is done.

Renji and Rukia

I just wanted to tell you all that I am on a mountain in Canada overlooking a snow covered forest setting while I am sitting next to a fire with a cup of hot cocoa. Life is good.

I know this suppose to be totally objective when it comes to sharing but it’s my post so I’m going to change the rules a bit. If you have problem with that. Well thats your own **** problem. Anyways, I gotta tell that i just love Renji I think he’s just cool. He’s seriously just chill you know what I’m saying. I have to tell you though even though I like the U.S dub his voice in english is SERIOUSLY gay I was very disappointed.

Ok back to the study, Renji out of these core five has probably had the second least amount of development when it comes to his character as a whole. (and it’s probably a toss up between him and Ishida) Which of course is to be expected. It should be noted that as the story gets father away from the main characters within the main story line that fans affections for a certain character or paring is going to be based more and more on the individual character development and the bonds fans create through that development. Renji is no different. What seems to attract people to Renji as a individual is both his appearance, he’s defiantly one of the more unique characters in Bleach, and his laid back disposition. People also like the way that he and Ichigo interact, their relationship has a very Gai/Kakashi feel to it. Best-friends and Rivals. Renji can also be very acute when it comes to understanding both Rukia, Ichigo and his othe friends. For example, while Renji is carrying Rukia away from the execution site during the Soul Society arc though separated for longest time Renji is instantly able to pick up on how Rukia is feeling. He does this again right after Inoue is captured. Renji knows exactly what Ichigo is thinking with a mere glance. Renji also shows emotional maturity and further established his understanding by acknowledging how deep Rukia’s bond with Ichigo is. Again while caring her, he doesn’t say “hey if you have problems lean on me focus on me....love me” (ok he wouldn't say that I just added that last part) He says “ichigo and I are here for you” it is very apparent that Renji is very adapt at reading and understanding Rukia.

Alas, arguments for Renji as a potential love interest for Rukia are few and far between these most common items brought in regards to Renji/Rukia

History, there is just so much.

This is the most common item brought up when discussing Renji and Rukia they just have so much history together. Most fans of this pairing do recognize the problem with this argument however. Fans understand having a very extensive history with one person can be both a blessing and a curse. The more time one’s relationship spends in one state. The harder it is to change it. That doesn’t necessarily mean that friends turned lovers can’t work. It can. I wrote a couple of another empirical papers while I was still an undergrad, one was on relationship prerequisites and indicators of future longevity in which I actually studied this exact topic. In short, these marriages/relationships tend to be the best type. Best friends who become involved appear to have a better initial understanding of one another, are more susceptible to change, and are more willing to work on it. All in all, Renji and Rukia if they decided to make that plunge would be great together.

There is common argument that is used both against Renji (and Ichigo) that Rukia’s and Renji (Ichigo’s) relationship is strictly platonic that there is nothing that could be considered romantic. What these fan don’t understand is that often the line between platonic and romantic love is very, very thin. Romantic love is merely a platonic love with a sexual component; the parties involved have to see each other as sexual beings. Furthermore this line that is drawn between romantic and platonic can be toppled with the simplest gesture. (though in anime it’s often dramatic like the classic “tripping and falling into a kiss” seriously who does that?) A platonic love can develop into romantic love with something as simple as cuddling on the couch, who hasn’t personally experienced this people? This is not a good reason for keeping Renji and Rukia apart.

Like every other paring however, Renji and Rukia have their “problems.” Critics and fans alike narrow it down to the time when Renji didn’t act when he needed to. He didn’t step up to the plate twice in fact which account for the reasons that people don’t really like this pairing.

Reasons that people don’t like Rukia/Renji

There isn’t anything in the way of sexual tension

Critics of this paring say that Renji and Rukia just don’t carry the sense of sexual tension that some of the other relationships have. (Rukia and Ichigo) For example, when Renji was carrying Rukia in his arms during the SS Arc there wasn’t a sense that he was protecting a lover but he was carrying out Ichigo’s order. (This is actually heavily debated) Furthermore then Rukia wanted to stay in Ichigo’s closest. He displayed either concern nor jealousy at the prospect. He left Rukia with Ichigo and didn’t seem to think twice about it.

No girl in Rukia’s situation would choose Renji over Ichigo (Renji didn’t act when he needed too)

This i probably the most convincing of the arguments against a relationship consisting of Rukia and Renji. Renji just didn’t act when Rukia needed him to. Rukia and Renji were together for the better part of 100 years. !00 Years is a **** long time to be with someone. One would think that if Rukia and Renji had real feelings for another then they might have acted upon them during one those cold nights in the outer districts. they didn’t however or at least don’t appear to and fans ask why. Another time when Renji needed to say something and didn’t is when Rukia was first inducted in the House of Kuckiki. Fans say that he wanted to tell her he loved her. Fans of this pairing also think that she wanted him to tell her he loved. But alas the exact argument to establish is the exact argument to destroy. The fact that Renji didn’t say anything when he should may have single handedly destroyed his chances of getting to that next stage.

Renji has a another problem when it comes to a romantic relationship with Rukia. His problem is in the form of Ichigo. Ichigo acted when no one else would. Not her brother, not Renji not any of the soul society goons. Though in his defense Renji did get it figured out. We don’t exactly know how long Rukia was suffering but it’s known that she lost her relationship with Renji when she was inducted as a noble and that she never had a relationship with her brother. She found relief in her love of Kaien but that was a double edge sword because he was married and she actually had to kill him. So when the story finally started Rukia was scarred emotionally to the point that she actually didn’t believe she was worth saving. There’s a lot of great things about Renji, he’s a great character, steady and reliable, but it was Ichigo that saved Rukia both physically and mentally. Ichigo and Ichigo alone.

Rukia hasn’t shown anything for Renji

Ultimately Renji suffers from the same fate as Inoue (as of this point in the manga) that Rukia just hasn’t shown any sort of romantic affection for him. In the Rukia/Ichigo post the fans argue that Ichigo and Rukia have a deep but platonic relationship. Critics of the Renji/Rukia relationship say that there is no way that a successful argument can be made for a romantic pairing of Renji/Rukia while trying to maintain that Rukia’s and ichigo’s is brotherly. Structurally parallelism is again used to paint this point. Like in the case of Ichigo, most people couldn’t really see Rukia confessing her love for Renji while ichigo was still around. (same problem inoue has)

Well guys there you have it. Sorry for the wait. My next post with be Ishida/Inoue. And remember to give feed back on the actual posts. i want to see the feedback for my research. Whether you hate or not. Just let me know.

Ishida and Inoue

School starts today. Not cool. Anyway, this raps up my little study. I have a information on the others but I think theses are the summaries that people really want to read. Anyway, I hope all is well and I will get a lot of feedback on this thread. I should just tell you how much fun it was to do this. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Overview

With this summary we rap up what I like to call the Fab 5 (potential there are three different love triangles between Rukia, Inoue, Ichigo, Renji, and Ishida admittedly the only one that has the potential of becoming an effective love triangle is Rukia/Ichigo/Inoue) There is a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to Ishida. As a character many fans feel that he’s not really come into his own. In relation to his potential as a love interest of inoue, truth be told, desire of this pairing appears to stem more from the hope for a Rukia/Ichigo pairing then a active attachment to Inoue/Ishida. In other words, this pairing seems to be a bi-product more then the focus. Arguments for this pairing, like the Renji/Rukia pairing, are again few and far between. In retrospect the arguments that exist for Ishida/Inoue are even less advanced then the ones available for Rukia and Renji. These arguments tend to be very broad in nature, focusing on a specifically why Ishida is a better match for Inoue then Ichigo rather then why Ishida’s and Inoue’s specific relationship dynamic is so appealing.

[B]Inoue’s Personality = Ishida’s Personality[/B]

This argument doesn’t necessarily imply that Ishida and Inoue are similar in their individual characteristics. This is not the case; not even close in fact. This argument revolves around how Ishida, unlike Ichigo, seems susceptible to Inoue’s rather quirky personality. (Look at their interaction in Soul Society Arc for example) Fans of this pairing, and correctly I might add, point out that it’s important for a couple to have the ability to adapt and change in relation to one another. Fans of this pairing say time and time again we have seen Ichigo’s ability to change Rukia and Rukia’s ability to change Ichigo. This is very obvious. These same fans point out that we have seen no such thing for Inoue in relationship to Ichigo on EITHER side. (Meaning that Ichigo hasn’t really changed Inoue nor as Inoue really changed Ichigo in any way) We have seen however, Inoue’s affect on Ishida, though realistically this perceived change is more of a general feeling then something tangible that can be pointed to and categorized.

Another reason that fans love this pairing so much revolves around fan’s visualization, and perceived negative results, of what would happen if there was an eventual relationship between Inoue and Ichigo. Ichigo is very abrasive in nature. He’s known for it. Fans of the Inoue/ Ishida pairing state that if ichigo and Inoue did get together that Ichigo would be constantly hurting Inoue’s feelings, maybe with even knowing it. Ichigo can’t help it. It’s part of who he is. These same fans often point to the early stages of the manga to show really how inconsiderate ichigo is of Inoue’s feelings. They refer to an early scene in the manga when Ichigo runs head on into Inoue and knocks her down, Ichgio being his classic self he just shrugs it off) Ishida, on the other hand, can read inoue with pinpoint accuracy. He is in fact so understanding he was able to discern exactly how Inoue is feeling by just watching her rather strained body language. (This is while Ichigo is fighting rukia’s brother in the SS Arc) There’s even more though, one of the main reasons that fans claim that Rukia and Ichigo are so perfect for each is their ability to see what each other needs and provide it. (Rukia snapping Ichigo out of his depression in the current arc is a great example) Ishida also exhibits this kind of advanced understanding in the already stated situation. Ishida perceives what it is Inoue really needs. What she really wants. What she is counting on. This of course is provided to us from Ishida’s monolog. What inoue really needs is for ichigo be alright. Ishida also exhibits maturity in the fact he realizes that there is nothing that he can do to help Inoue. That the only thing that can be done is to hope for Ichigo’s victory.

Inoue and Ishida are equals.

This argument again stems from a comparsion of ichigo and Ishida, or the relationship potential of Ichigo/Inoue and Ishida/Inoue. The fans that make this argument ask this simple question. Can people who have an “unequal relationship” have a truly healthy and long-lasting courtship? (The meaning of equal is often relative making this argument difficult but if you can come up with a functioning definition it makes the argument much more plausible) Answer: Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule, but it doesn’t happen very often. The empirical data backs this up. When people enter a relationship with a vast difference in their relative affection the components (the people in the relationship) hardly ever exhibit those characteristics that indicate a growing, health, long lasting relationship. Communication is especially difficult for these types of relationship. (And you don’t have to be a scientist to understand that communication is very important to the maintenance of a romantic endeavor) After the initial question the fans often follow up with a statement that most fans will agree with, Inoue and Ichigo are not equals. Ishida and Inoue however are. Why? Because Inoue doesn’t have a “superstar” complex when it comes to Ishida. In the eyes of Inoue at this time in the manga, Ichigo could really do no wrong. Strong, abrasive men often need a woman that is just as strong, if not stronger, and just as abrasive. These men need someone that will give them a good kick in the head when they derserve it. It has been shown that Ichigo is one of these people. The same fans also state that this is one of the reason that ichigo doesn’t see Inoue as a equal. This is something that she hasn’t been able to do. Ishida on the other hand, as was mentioned earlier is clearly attracted to Inoue and is both understanding and perceptive being able to determine what she needs, and when she needs. Furthermore, the only reason Ishida wasn’t able to provide what Inoue needed was because it revolved around ichigo. Fans often speculate that if Inoue didn’t have her fixation on ichigo that Ishida would be able to provide perfectly for all of Inoue’s emotional and romantic needs.

It goes back to Inoue not being able to deliver what ichigo needs. Knowing but not being able to deliver. Many people feel that in Ishida was given a chance that he would “complete” Inoue.

In this world of Beauties and the Greeks.

This is the classic argument that people give whenever they see a really hot girl and not so hot guy. The interesting thing about Ishida’s (like Ichigo’s) situation is that much of his social discord is self-induced. It is been said time and time again that ichigo puts up barriers to hide how really messed up emotionally he is. There isn’t, however, much discussion on Ishida who probably has similar emotional trauma and defense mechanisms. Ishida has almost no relationship with his freaky father. He watched his grandfather “murdered” in front of him. And he lives in a world where he thinks he can’t trust anyone. In light of this analysis it maybe a little easier to understand where his cold, calculating nature comes from. Another thing to note is really how ambiguous ishida’s relationship is with his other classmates. Notice that though he is aloof and cold that he is easily approachable and willing to help out. Keeping all this in mind when fans thing about the prospect of a “nerd” getting together with a “beauty” it gives those same fans the warm glow we get when finally realize that the hero is going to win. Essentially the reason this variable is so popular is because it gives appeasement to the side of all of us who wanted someone that we feel was totally out of our league. (An analysis of Inoue’s position has already been given. It is understood where she stands. She is a diva.) Inoue getting together with ishida would defiantly fall into the realm of Beauty and the Greek. And who doesn’t want the Greek to win?

There aren’t any real substantial arguments against ishida/inoue. At least there aren’t any that haven’t been given in pervious post. There are stupid ones like. “she is gay” or “he has glasses”, but those of us have at least a minimal amount of intelligence don’t give stupid arguments like this. There I decided not to include them in the results of the study

Well boys and girls I would just like to thank very one who read and posted again. It was a lot of fun. I thought I would take this time to let you all know who it is that I personally like seeing that it seems like it’s up for controversy. Are you ready…………………

Got ya!!!! Thanks again guys.

Essay on Potential Love Triangle: Bleach

Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:37:58 GMT

This is my first and orginal rant. I am posting for your reading pleasure. I wrote this about 4 months ago when i first got into Bleach. I hope you enjoy.

I want to look at Ichigo/Rukia/Inoue relationship dynamtic in a slightly different light. I wanted to compare and contrast the love triangle phenomena and apply those to the rules that I have formulated in my own writing experience. I also want to give and comprehensive summary of the interpersonal relationship substructure and how it plays in the story, this will lead to an objective explanation for those of you are new to bleach and this debate. (Note the Commprehensive summary is a work in progress)

I apologize before hand for the length and assumptions that will be presented. I say unto you know now if you are bored and have NOTHING better to do feel free to read this. Otherwise if it’s a beautiful day your time would probably be used better doing something else.

So you kept reading I'm flattered. I will try not to bore you to much. I do think this is a very interesting topic that many people are drawn too. I was thinking about this the other day and I dont’ know if was that I had to much caffeine, or if the brilliance and idiocy of all your arguments concerning this subject just touched me but I was thinking about the whole Ichigo/Rukia/Inoue thing and I think the reason that people find this subject so interesting is because its one of the few things that is really still undecided as to the outcome of the story. Whoa. that’s deep. What is it that I mean by that? What I mean is that we know that Ichigo is gonna get uber strong. He is gonna kickass, take no prisoners and pass his exams. It’s going to happen. I don’t think anyone would argue that point. The matters of the heart however is very much still open, Rukia, Ichigo, Inoue are a one of the more cohesive yet subtle love triangles in anime. This topic is frustrating and interesting at the same time. I truly think that’s why when nothing cool is happening in the anime or the manga we always revert back to this topic. With that being said I want to make it clear this will be as objective as possible. I don't you will be able to determine my personal feelings. This discussion stems for the many arguments read and an attempt to bring clarity to a very confusing situation. I will go more into this later. Lets get to our discussion.

What does it take for a successful love triangle? I have been beating my brain in trying to figure that out. The love triangle is something that they often use in anime and was something that I didn’t have much experience with. Discouraged by my lack of understanding, I started watching as many animes as I could. Through my viewing experience and conversations with my wife, I was able to formulate four rules that are essential for effective love triangle use and analysis. Again this is my opinion feel free to disagree. So before we can move on to my rules of a effective love triangle there has to be a functioning definition.

Note: I am talking about a specific type of love triangle there are many kinds and many different types that are used for many different purposes. I'm using this one because i think it's the most pure and general where anything can truely happen. And of course it's important to start with the general when discussing a topic. People can get more specific from there. This is my definition of a effective love triangle.

An effective love triangle is one that gives a “realistic” interpersonal struggle between three legitimate romantic equals. Potentially (A+B) V (A+C)

Note: this type of love triangle generally cuts the fan population in half. People’s opinion has to do with how they relate to the characters. Tenjho Tenge is a good example. Maya or Aya for Nagi? There are tons of arguments either way, even if the characters are alot alike. Using myself as an example, I would go with Maya. Why? because I think that i would want a strong women like her. (actually I have one) Maya and Aya are both hot, rocking body all that good stuff. It just comes down to personal preference when you apply this to a love triangle. It doesn’t matter what Nagi wants because fans don’t base their pairings on what they think the main character wants but on what they want. Just go read the Rukia/inoue debates you will see this.

What do I mean by this definition? Why would this be a successful or effective love triangle? As a writer and story teller I needed some type of theoretical frame work to be able formulate and use an effective love triangle in my own work. As an anime viewer I came to realize that this type of love triangle is the most controversial and the least used. However this is a very subjective definition open to subjective frames of mind and emotion. This type of love triangle is in and of itself, a story. I would say that most action anime, manga, movies etc don’t use this type of love triangle because the relationship aspect of the story is secondary to the main plot line. I will discuss this later.

The best way I can explain the above definition so you understand MY frame of mind is to draw an analog of an effective love triangle to a equilateral/equal angle triangle. For those of you who don’t know what that is stop reading because you won’t understand the rest of the post, and I’m not taking the time to explain what it is. With the idea of an equilateral triangle in mind you notice that all three angles are equal. There is nothing inherit to distinguish one angle from another. For this to apply to Bleach or any anime/manga there would have to be one main character (Ichigo) that has two female love interests (Rukia, Inoue) both female leads have a legitimate opportunity be with the main character. They share equal, or equivalent time, or elements are present that balance any unequal time or opportunity. One interest doesn't consistantly have more inherit plot value then the other. One interest is consistantly "the female lead".

Why is this so important to me? I know you probably are wondering this. I think it’s important because I think it might be able to help fans understand what has the potential to happen in Bleach and other stories with this type of interpersonal relationship structure. Furthermore, I hope this essay will give the people new to Bleach and anime a better understanding of the roles that our female leads play and what they possibly mean, or could mean, to ichigo.

I must admit that I do have a selfish reason for bringing this up I really want your comments because I am having something similar to this in my own story. It’s fantasy I was just wondering how it might be received so please if you disagree with me, feel free, if you hate it, alright, but leave your comments this is all research.

Ok on to the rules
Rule number one: Characters must receive equal treatment. Ok so what do i mean by this? Lets use an example. Hinata, Naruto and Sakura this is the example of how NOT to perform an effective love triangle. Why you might ask? Because as of right now, 330 chapters into the story, no one with an objective view point can make a real argument for Hinata. She’s a side character and has served her purpose.

Therefore Sub-rule (A): an effective long triangle can’t exist between two main characters and a side character.

Now not being the author of Naruto I can’t say with absolute certainty that Hinata won’t come into the story. I can’t but it’s very hard when Sakura gets as much panel time as she does. Hinata just doesn’t have the development needed to give her a real shot at Naruto’s heart. Any future relationship (as of right now in the story) would be seen as forced and undeveloped leaving a very bad taste in the mouths of those who are reading. The author could correct this. But this late in the manga it would be difficult.

Rule number two: The two female or male love interest must both have a real opportunity to make a play for the main characters heart. One side affection doesn’t give rise to an effective play for the main character, whether they be girl or guy, the main character must show some sort of romantic affection for both characters. Full metal Panic is good example, Sagara doesn’t show any real romantic affection towards Tessa, if any of you are Tessa fans out there I apologize, but he doesn’t. As a matter of fact In FMP the second raid Tessa has a mini break down and Sagara does nothing to even comfort her let alone ease her fears. This is another case where no one (who isn’t a fan boy) can make a real argument for a potential relationship between Sagara and tessa though her chances are better then Hinata’s from Naruto. This rule is something that is very easy to speculate on in retrospect however this element of the love triangle takes time and should probably be avoided for most of the series. This element can be very frustrating because of the way that most people develop a love triangle. The elements of each relationship are often developed seperately and in pieces focusing on one or the another of the loves interests. Again retrospect is something that is used in this case and is a big help.

Note: Rule 3 and 4 are really tools of analysis, not actual rules. Use these to determine if there is really a love triangle.

Rule Number three: The relationship in context of the actual story compared to the overall reason or plot value of the relationship. This rule is often overlooked by people especially in Shonen manga where the relationship aspect of the story is often over shadowed by the action sequences. In a story like peach girl, where the main focus of the story is the relationship itself and it's external and internal interplay there's more room for adding, changing or varying the plot value of each character and their relationship. The complexities of the love triangle can be both obvious and exggerated. why? Because that creates drama. And girls love drama; guys don’t care about that crap (generally) This is essential if you going to understand action manga’s like Bleach and Naruto. The love triangle in bleach (if there truely is one) the relationship development and basis for the potential triangle was so subdued and contextual that its hard to even examine it with any sort of objective view point. Even those of us who don’t really care who the main character ends up with will eventually have to make a choice of which character they like and make a choice based on that. The love triangle in Bleach may or may not have intrinsic value to the overall plot. Furthermore, if one relationship has more inherit value the possibility of an effective love is greatly diminshed.

Lets look at Tenjiho Tenge as an example, I know this is a difficult manga to use because it’s so hard to understand but my point is perfectly illustrated in it. So forgive me. when you examine Nagi’s part in the manga. He was the potential to became the Flying Danger (or Heavenly Dragon, this is someone who is good; you become the Flying Dragon by finding someone to protect) or Nagi could become the Black Dragon (an being of evil that fights for the hell of it) He has fallen in love with Maya and is willing to protect her but is she the reason he wants to get stronger? Will he be able to overcome his angry? What about Aya? Will she become one who fights for the one that she loves or will her power run away with her? You get the point. In Tenjho Tenge the love triangle (it’s more like a Chain but I won’t get into that here) has greater value to the plot so there is more in the way of development. The feelings and development of the triangle components (Maya, Aya, Nagi) are more realistic in their scope. There are hurt feelings and contentions. Why? Again because the contention and dynamtic of the relationship further develops the plot. (in a way at least) This is a important element that you must look at when you trying to examine the couple question.

Rule Four: The main girl/guy almost always wins. Sorry boys and girls this is the rule not the exception. Hinata, Tessa, Kikkyo really don’t have a chance. This rule is actually more important then people think. If you notice the first two rules about equal time and treatment, and equal opportunity to win the main characters heart. This fourth rule really shows that in all actuality there are very few stories with a truely equal love triangle. Some stories get close. Onegi Twins is a pretty good one. There is equal treatment among the love interest the story revolves around the love triangle so there can be alot of focus on it. In a story like Bleach end less the main girl position (Rukia) is “taken over” it’s very hard to give the second female/male love interest a legitamate opportunity at the main character. I know that many people see these stories as worlds unto themselves. If you don’t believe just go to the Naruto forum and look up threads on Itachi or Kabuto. The “plot no justsu” is often used as an explanation as to why something happens, meaning that if the characters existed outside their creators respective minds that something different would happen from what the author says happens. “If the author would have let him Itachi would have killed Jiriaya when Itachi came for Naruto” This is what people say to explain why their favorite character lost etc. It isn’t any different when comes to loves interest. This entire world is in the mind of one person. He is like the god of that world. He sees past, present and future. Thats why i never comment on an incomplete story. I don’t know what’s going to happen so how can I comment on the story as a whole? Don’t get me wrong some animes make me really mad. I get really upset when a paring comes out of nowhere with little development and no believeability. But the point of this rule is this. The main character is usaslly the favorite character of the author and his main love interest is usaslly right up there with him ( or her). Thats why they are the main characters. With this in mind it’s not hard to see why they would, for the most part, end up together. The main female lead effect has to be elimated for there to be an effective love triangle.

This point about the main girl and guys is very driven to the point of stupid. Canvas 2 and DC Da Capo are both examples of this. The main character (female) in both of those animes shouldn’t have, in my humble opinion, ended up with the guy. Sorry they just shouldn’t have. I won’t bore you with an analysis of theses animes this is long enough. But if you want to see how a love triangle shouldn’t be done. Watch these. Horrible. It just goes to show this rule has alot of merit contrary to popular believe.

Well those are the rules lets recap:
1. Rule number one: Characters must receive equal treatment.
2. Rule number two: The two female or male love interest must both have a real opportunity to make a play for the main characters heart
3. Rule Number three: Does one relationship have greater value in context of the actual story.
4. Rule Four: The main girl/guy almost always wins. Can't be a real lead
Well add this as a sub rule: all these elements have to occur
concurrently.

Now how does Bleach fall into this format. I think you can comes to your own conclusions but this is how I see it. I don’t think this is a real functioning love triangle YET. I do see the potential for a real love triangle.
Lets look at each rule.

1. So do Rukia and Inoue get equal treatment through out the anime and manga?

Answer: no not even close. But it is getting better. Inoue was a secondary character for the longest time more suited for comic relief then anything. The entire Soul Society was about Rukia and Ichigo. Ichigo and Inoue weren’t even together for most of the time. You gain insight into how Inoue feels but Ichigo is very focused on Rukia. They (Rukia and Ichigo) share some very tender moments. I will discuss this later. They share some very tender moments. They are important to each other blah blah blah. You get the picture.
I would say that currently the author trying very hard to develop Inoue to a legitimate love interest for Ichigo though maybe not doing a very good job. Inoue’s panel time has gone up, as has her inner monolog. I will discuss Inoue’s character in detail later so I don’t want to do it here. Suffice to say that there is a real chance a functioning love triangle however we don’t really have one yet.

2. As of right now Do you think that Inoue and Rukia both have a real shot at Ichigo?

Answer: I would say yes. Merely because of as of right now Ichigo and Rukia are too chicken to discuss their relationship and Inoue is too scared to tell Ichigo how she feels. In real life a simple confession from Inoue could do it for Ichigo. Shes a hottie with a naughty body right? What guy wouldn’t want her? but this isn’t real life. its probably not going to be a simple matter of making a confession though some of you hope it would. Rukia and Ichigo probably aren’t going to discuss their relationship either so to tell you the truth I don’t know what is going to happen. Lets just say that Ichigo has got options.

3. As of right now in the manga who’s relationship has greater value to the overall plot? (meaning the entire plot)

I would say Rukia. To be completely honest Inoue could have been taken out of the manga about right up until the time she got captured, and that just the way it is. Rukia gave ichigo his powers and their core relationship has always been paramount to the story. Now this doesn’t necessary mean that Inoue couldn’t become more important to the story, but the author would have to do something to offset the importance of Rukia and Ichigo’s relationship. (Finding out that Ichigo is the re-incarnation of Kaien and Inoue was the re-incarnation of this wife now that would do it i think. They were destine to love one another blah blah blah) But again, as of right now Rukia’s relationship with Ichigo does much more to further the plot (I do think that is wavering though). In light of that thought, for a real working love triangle to established the author would have to allow Inoue to be the focus for a signifcant amount of time. There would also have to be Ichigo/Inoue development as a pairing allowing Inoue to "catch up" to Rukia in terms of time, opportunity and importance.

4. I’m not going to comment on this one because i’m pretty sure that this is a no brainer if you want to argue that Inoue is the main female lead as of right now. You are an idiot. yes, an idiot. Again this has to be offset to allow a real love triangle.

Well there you have it. Conclusion There is a lot of potential when it comes to the evolution of a real working love triangle. I would say that we are closer to having one then people generally think, and that’s really why there has been so much development of Inoue’s character in the recent arc. The last about 70 chapters have just been great story telling. We get further development of Inoue, Ichigo and Rukia all in a very subtle way all while keeping everything subcontextual. We will just have to see what happens.

Post Edit: As a final note,

I would like to note that many love triangles are between a male and female lead and a secondary character. Hinata from Naruto, Kikkyo from Inu Yasha, Tessa from Full Metal Panic theses are all secondary characters. I think this type of relationship is used to fuel the relationship between the main potential couple (maybe not in the case of Naruto, Hinata has just kind of fallen to the way side) but it’s totally like that in the case of the other two. Both Tessa and kikkyo are used as an instruments to further the main couples relationship (and add some humor). While I do feel that a love triangle is in our future. I also think I could see this happening in Bleach. Inoue being used as an instrument for the further development of Ichigo and Rukia. (probably not the other way around) One problem with the development of Inoue’s character as of late has been focused on her love of Ichigo and her jealously of Rukia. It's both introverted and exclusive. I can see Ichigo coming to Inoue ready to save her all while she is thinking how happy she is to see him and how much she cares for him but then she sees Rukia. How does she react? Will Ichigo and Rukia notice? I could see something like happening. I really could. Will it? Don’t know. but it’s totally possible.

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